Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:49484) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S3T03-0002L9-8o; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:28 -0800 Received: by bkcjg9 with SMTP id jg9sf1660643bkc.16 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMGclZyxExD0o8P6BBoEJIV0Tg@googlegroups.com designates 10.181.11.168 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.181.11.168; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMGclZyxExD0o8P6BBoEJIV0Tg@googlegroups.com designates 10.181.11.168 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCMGclZyxExD0o8P6BBoEJIV0Tg@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCMGclZyxExD0o8P6BBoEJIV0Tg@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.181.11.168]) by 10.181.11.168 with SMTP id ej8mr2409954wid.4.1330696695232 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=zqnsO0kyauo507TitV9IiwRYZhGgECTdg5yfFQ25MYM=; b=NP6+kc7N3c44qUz8BnS4H++vdh6x8fnG0PAjRDX9rVDULH3gPJGu8Fs0nXq0eilwqU rIGyABruPKMlNnfD290447+v3B2CHJGD4fMvVvRNTJEax1QB9fBRKsgtrLjPjIq1qCyC D//+qtUFXLElq5Pwl8Ml2ooETA19WOvKZ+Cc0= Received: by 10.181.11.168 with SMTP id ej8mr610149wid.4.1330696692615; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:12 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.6.74 with SMTP id y10ls1068345wiy.4.canary; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.91.165 with SMTP id cf5mr226451wib.2.1330696691227; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.91.165 with SMTP id cf5mr226450wib.2.1330696691217; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com (mail-ww0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id el7si1658410wid.2.2012.03.02.05.58.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; Received: by wgbfm10 with SMTP id fm10so468787wgb.10 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 10.180.86.9 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.86.9; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.86.9]) by 10.180.86.9 with SMTP id l9mr5634285wiz.15.1330696691194 (num_hops = 1); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.86.9 with SMTP id l9mr4510519wiz.15.1330696691116; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.144.212 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 05:58:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <30903050.276.1330692193136.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynca15> References: <30903050.276.1330692193136.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynca15> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 14:58:11 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths) From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / This is a good question. I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say "132". It may be good for a computer, which "understands" the things in a syntactic way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units", (even if tens is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there's the positional meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in the language. People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ? 2012/3/2, M.Nael : > Would this work? > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathematics since age 3 in > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too-many syllables' as > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English. > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is 'wa?id' | 'Two' is > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' and so on. > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've grown to use its > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words should make > up for this, thus: > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re' instead of > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial for my mental calculations? > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical thinking? > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally science-part) of > Lojban? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/J2Orr4yu-lUJ. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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