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This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem harder to
use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in the army
(too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training exercises
saying "one five" for 15. I found it irritating.
What do the accomplished speakers here think?

stevo

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a good question.
>
> I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say "132".   It may be
> good for a computer, which "understands" the things in a syntactic
> way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way
> which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units", (even if tens
> is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there's the positional
> meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in the language.
>
> People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along
> syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ?
>
> 2012/3/2, M.Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>:
> > Would this work?
> > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathematics since age 3 in
> > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too-many syllables' as
> > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English.
> > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is 'wa?id' | 'Two' is
> > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' and so on.
> > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've grown to use its
> > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying
> > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words should make
> > up for this, thus:
> > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re' instead of
> > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial for my mental
> calculations?
> > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical thinking?
> > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally science-part) of
> > Lojban?
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This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem harder to =
use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in the army =
(too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training exercises s=
aying &quot;one five&quot; for 15. I found it irritating.=A0<div>

What do the accomplished speakers here think?=A0</div><div><br></div><div>s=
tevo<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Esca=
pe Landsome <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com">esc=
aaape@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This is a good question.<br>
<br>
I wonder if &quot;pa-ci-re&quot; is an efficient way to say &quot;132&quot;=
. =A0 It may be<br>
good for a computer, which &quot;understands&quot; the things in a syntacti=
c<br>
way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way<br>
which is found in &quot;one-hundred, three-tens, two-units&quot;, (even if =
tens<br>
is said &quot;-ty&quot; and units is implicit), because there&#39;s the pos=
itional<br>
meaning of 1 that means &quot;one hundred&quot; imported in the language.<b=
r>
<br>
People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along<br>
syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ?<br>
<br>
2012/3/2, M.Nael &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:muhammad.nael@gmail.com">muhammad.na=
el@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br>
<div class=3D"im">&gt; Would this work?<br>
&gt; My native language is Arabic yet I&#39;ve studied Mathematics since ag=
e 3 in<br>
&gt; English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having &#39;too-many syllabl=
es&#39; as<br>
&gt; opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English.<br>
&gt; This is most visible in numbers. Arabic &#39;One&#39; is &#39;wa?id&#3=
9; | &#39;Two&#39; is<br>
&gt; &#39;i0na:n&#39; | &#39;Three&#39; is &#39;0la:0ah&#39; and so on.<br>
&gt; Even with English being more efficient here (and I&#39;ve grown to use=
 its<br>
&gt; number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying<br>
&gt; &#39;three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words shou=
ld make<br>
&gt; up for this, thus:<br>
&gt; My question is: how much would training for &#39;pa-ci-re&#39; instead=
 of<br>
&gt; &#39;one-hundred, thirty-two&#39; etc... be beneficial for my mental c=
alculations?<br>
&gt; And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical thinki=
ng?<br>
</div>&gt; Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally science-=
part) of<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">&gt; Lojban?<br>
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