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From: ".arpis." Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:44:06 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths) To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: rpglover64@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rpglover64@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rpglover64@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That's okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at expressing quantity at scale. ba zu ju'o cu'i I would like to practice using lojban numbers for a memory system (inspired by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system) and practice using them for arithmetic. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem harder t= o > use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in the arm= y > (too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training exercises > saying "one five" for 15. I found it irritating. > What do the accomplished speakers here think? > > stevo > > > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Escape Landsome wrot= e: >> >> This is a good question. >> >> I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say "132". =A0 It may be >> good for a computer, which "understands" the things in a syntactic >> way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way >> which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units", (even if tens >> is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there's the positional >> meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in the language. >> >> People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along >> syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ? >> >> 2012/3/2, M.Nael : >> > Would this work? >> > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathematics since age 3 = in >> > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too-many syllables' = as >> > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English. >> > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is 'wa?id' | 'Two' is >> > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' and so on. >> > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've grown to use its >> > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying >> > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words should >> > make >> > up for this, thus: >> > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re' instead of >> > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial for my mental >> > calculations? >> > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical >> > thinking? >> > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally science-part) = of >> > Lojban? >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups >> > "lojban" group. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/J2Orr4yu-lUJ. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 mu'o mi'e .arpis. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.