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[69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e44si3748059yhk.0.2012.03.02.13.32.44; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 13:32:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 198A521827 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] ka'e/kakne & mapti/sarxe Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 16:32:35 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203021632.36141.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Friday, March 02, 2012 15:20:59 Felipe Gon=E7alves Assis wrote: > On 2 March 2012 14:48, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > And I do internally interpret nu > > abstractions as having a (possibly elided) ce'u in them (in other > > words, since they are in the same selma'o as ka, I don't see any > > reason to treat one different than the other in the "parts" they > > contain) >=20 > They are also in the same selma'o as {du'u}. There is no implicit > or explicit {ce'u} in du'u-clauses. Being in the same selma'o means only that, if you have a syntactically vali= d=20 sentence with "du'u" in it, you can substitute "nu" for "du'u" and get a=20 syntactically valid sentence, and vice versa. It doesn't imply anything abo= ut=20 implicit "ce'u". Similarly, "zi'o" is in the same selma'o as "ko'a", but=20 "zi'o" does not have a referent; and "du" and "co'e" are in the same selma'= o=20 as "go'i", but it makes no sense to use "ra'o" with them. A sentence can be= =20 syntactically valid yet uninterpretable. le mlatu pe naku goi zi'o cu co'e= =20 ra'o lo cipni te.u lo ratcu. Pierre --=20 sei do'anai mi'a djuno puze'e noroi nalselganse srera --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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