Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:38709) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S3q6m-0006Yx-0s; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:57 -0800 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf678046wgb.16 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKyEuPe6HhDx2cj6BBoECUvQYw@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.157.150 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.157.150; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKyEuPe6HhDx2cj6BBoECUvQYw@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.157.150 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCKyEuPe6HhDx2cj6BBoECUvQYw@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCKyEuPe6HhDx2cj6BBoECUvQYw@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.157.150]) by 10.204.157.150 with SMTP id b22mr4088879bkx.7.1330785524183 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=8QeSSOm5S2HJ7rlM3OeXd/3HICXv0UwLmqJztjvjyIE=; b=eQoSfCRgWz0mXaCYA771c2DGfUp0BI7jaSDO4Eq2T1j0cwh5cstqWjvo6k6ccNqImA VtMBhc1wr04pPAKTYYcmEnx2Zd7jd/b8A+FMEJxGOI9Z3zZEet2DisZ1TWx/MwpurlJC N93pUl+hMmkxhe4uzl/esyPn8yIPQc34119Gg= Received: by 10.204.157.150 with SMTP id b22mr1195580bkx.7.1330785521527; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:41 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls4965756bkb.0.gmail; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr1107463bkc.5.1330785519702; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr1107462bkc.5.1330785519672; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si10342775bkb.2.2012.03.03.06.38.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.44; Received: by lagj5 with SMTP id j5so3784719lag.31 for ; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 10.152.148.106 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.148.106; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.148.106]) by 10.152.148.106 with SMTP id tr10mr12678870lab.41.1330785519369 (num_hops = 1); Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.148.106 with SMTP id tr10mr10444491lab.41.1330785519272; Sat, 03 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.85.98 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:38:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <30903050.276.1330692193136.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynca15> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:38:39 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sebastian_Fr=F6jd?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: so.cool.ogi@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of so.cool.ogi@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=so.cool.ogi@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f22c62f26022304ba57a649 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f22c62f26022304ba57a649 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I've been trying to find the reference of what I've been reading, but I haven't found it yet. From what I remember, it was something about chinese count like eight-nine-ten-tenone-tentwo etc, instead of the illogical eleven-twelve etc. So that could be the cause why chinese children grasp the base-10 position system earlier. Unfortunately I have no reference to this research at the moment. But maybe this could be a start?: "Other experiments have demonstrated differences in how Westerners and East Asians think about objects (Iwao & Gentner, 1997), numbers (Lucy & Gaskins, 1997), and space (Levinson, 1996) and how processing numbers when doing arithmetic problems is related to language differences between Chinese-speaking and English-speaking participants (Tang et al., 2006)" mu'omi'e jongausib 2012/3/3 Muhammad an-Nuqrashi > I've read a bit in Mandarin and its sisters but I never got as far as > numerals; mostly stopped at the Wikipedia page! > +Sebastian, I'd really, *really^99,* love to see a paper about that > research. I've been fascinated with SW-H until they left me no evidence it > could exist... If the research is 'that' positive, I might take out a few > old projects from my safe! > > >> From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for >> thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That's >> okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at expressing >> quantity at scale. > > > +.arpis. , So that's a 'go-for-it' recommendation? > > PS. I'm sorry for late replies, those I've made and those yet to come, but > my connection is quite unstable >.< > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8f22c62f26022304ba57a649 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've been trying to find the reference of what I've been reading, b= ut I haven't found it yet. From what I remember, it was something about= chinese count like eight-nine-ten-tenone-tentwo etc, instead of the illogi= cal eleven-twelve etc. So that could be the cause why chinese children gras= p the base-10 position system earlier. Unfortunately I have no reference to= this research at the moment. But maybe this could be a start?:

"Other experiments have demonstrated differences in how Westerners= and East Asians think about objects (Iwao & Gentner, 1997), numbers (L= ucy & Gaskins, 1997), and space (Levinson, 1996) and how processing num= bers when doing arithmetic problems is related to language differences betw= een Chinese-speaking and English-speaking participants (Tang et al., 2006)&= quot;

mu'omi'e jongausib

2012/3/3 M= uhammad an-Nuqrashi <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>
I've read a bit in Mandarin and its sisters but I neve= r got as far as numerals; mostly stopped at the Wikipedia page!
+Sebastian, I'd really, really^99,=A0love to see a paper ab= out that research. I've been fascinated with SW-H until they left me no= evidence it could exist... If the research is 'that' positive, I m= ight take out a few old projects from my safe!
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<= span>From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for=
thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That= 's
okay, though, because any digit based system is poor= at expressing
quantity at scale.

+.arpis. , So that's a 'go-for-it' re= commendation?

PS. I'm sorry for late replies, = those I've made and those yet to come, but my connection is quite unsta= ble >.<

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