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[85.13.138.119]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id s9si6074530eei.3.2012.03.04.05.04.34; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 05:04:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) client-ip=85.13.138.119; Received: from samsa (brln-4d0cd579.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.213.121]) by dd17822.kasserver.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 77B688602DF for ; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:04:33 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:04:33 +0100 From: v4hn To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Let's do something like this for Lojban! Message-ID: <20120304130433.GA27103@samsa> References: <4F5156CA.3040104@plasmatix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: me@v4hn.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 85.13.138.119 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of me@v4hn.de) smtp.mail=me@v4hn.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi rodo =2Ei lo ti se mrilu ku pamoi se mrilu mi lo jbomriste (this is the first mail I send to the list) On Sun, Mar 04, 2012 at 08:47:31AM -0300, Felipe Gon=C3=A7alves Assis wrote: > The ko'a-series is a whole different thing. Its single rule of > reference is assignment. > The only parallel to that in the English language is the "henceforth > referred to as" > of legal documents, which does not include personal pronouns at all. > > So, while the CLL does comment that the ko'a-series is the lojban version= of 3rd > person pronouns, this is pretty insensitive to how natural languages work. As far as I know, there is one natural example of the ko'a-series in Sign L= anguage [0]. This is called "referent locus system". The speaker can assign referents to= points in space. mu'o mi'e van --- [0] - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Sign_Language_grammar#Referent_= locus_system --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk9TaGEACgkQMBKLZs4+wjztAACgnoBkW5godt1BpV7V6tl+vJU6 2HEAn1bgV0NDkRsU150UFVykIdkWQMCZ =ppU2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --XsQoSWH+UP9D9v3l--