Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:34143) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4IH3-0002JG-Qe; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:29 -0800 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf3586466wer.16 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDfp8_6BBoENn1zdg@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.128.79 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.128.79; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDfp8_6BBoENn1zdg@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.128.79 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDfp8_6BBoENn1zdg@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDfp8_6BBoENn1zdg@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.128.79]) by 10.204.128.79 with SMTP id j15mr4908554bks.35.1330893794146 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=jBck8Hsmdwh0jt7v/HFjnjbXr0/DFXglAlt4NCIvqhU=; b=g8U01E0tyEi/uja342RhFmqLC60+vmm7NoOpgtJ3GVphjouJw3JILgn10JHeFHEVW3 mA5SKAAf9cVHd+KYw2ZQV91ocQ7wKEEblDjnFWrhNAD0LyFADz96fdne/Y59YfILbdBK pd3y4Rv6YsrcFBxqofEzzS7jcnqyrjflMOPqA= Received: by 10.204.128.79 with SMTP id j15mr1454535bks.35.1330893791483; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:11 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.128.220 with SMTP id l28ls501323bks.8.gmail; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr1357251bkw.7.1330893789617; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr1357250bkw.7.1330893789590; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si15202508bko.3.2012.03.04.12.43.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by lahj13 with SMTP id j13so3867366lah.19 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 10.112.10.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.10.169; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.10.169]) by 10.112.10.169 with SMTP id j9mr8706924lbb.70.1330893789272 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.10.169 with SMTP id j9mr7148533lbb.70.1330893789127; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:43:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.67.41 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:42:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <30903050.276.1330692193136.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynca15> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:42:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths) To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe34fa88e42404ba70dbb8 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e0cb4efe34fa88e42404ba70dbb8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Wang Xuerui wrote= : > 2012/3/3 Sebastian Fr=F6jd : > > I've been trying to find the reference of what I've been reading, but I > > haven't found it yet. From what I remember, it was something about > chinese > > count like eight-nine-ten-tenone-tentwo etc, instead of the illogical > > eleven-twelve etc. So that could be the cause why chinese children gras= p > the > > base-10 position system earlier. Unfortunately I have no reference to > this > > research at the moment. But maybe this could be a start?: > > > Chinese numeral expressions are mostly regular... in the "ten-one, > ten-two" situation the leading "one"s are omitted, and for large > numbers it is sometimes acceptable to just say the individual digits; > i remember having said something like "the file size is five four > three two eight zero six bytes" for my classmate to verify the > transferred data. That sounds pretty normal to me. It's like 'spelling' a number to verify it. Phone numbers are read the same way. stevo > And ordinals are formed by simply prefixing > cardinals. > > Maybe the irregularities lie in alternative counting symbols like the > ancient Heavenly Stems and Earthly Branches... actually not many > Chinese people can enumerate all of the characters, let alone writing > down them :P > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Wang Xu= erui <idont= knw.wang@gmail.com> wrote:
2012/3/3 Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.= cool.ogi@gmail.com>:
> I've been trying to find the reference of what I= 've been reading, but I
> haven't found it yet. From what I remember, it was something about= chinese
> count like eight-nine-ten-tenone-tentwo etc, instead of the illogical<= br> > eleven-twelve etc. So that could be the cause why chinese children gra= sp the
> base-10 position system earlier. Unfortunately I have no reference to = this
> research at the moment. But maybe this could be a start?:
>
Chinese numeral expressions are mostly regular... in the "ten-on= e,
ten-two" situation the leading "one"s are omitted, and for l= arge
numbers it is sometimes acceptable to just say the individual digits;
i remember having said something like "the file size is five four
three two eight zero six bytes" for my classmate to verify the
transferred data.

That sounds pretty norma= l to me. It's like 'spelling' a number to verify it. Phone numb= ers are read the same way.=A0

stevo
And ordinals are formed by simply prefixing
cardinals.

Maybe the irregularities lie in alternative counting symbols like the
ancient Heavenly Stems and Earthly Branches... actually not many
Chinese people can enumerate all of the characters, let alone writing
down them :P

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