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Subject: [lojban] What's the deal with me'ispe and bunspe?
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Why is bunspe defined as sister-in-law and me'ispe is brother-in-law?
That's completely backwards.

Specifically, brother-in-law (me'ispe) is defined as "x1 is the spouse of
the sister of x2 under law/custom/etc. x3"
and sister-in-law (bunspe) is defined as "x1 is the spouse of the brother
of x2 under law/custom/etc. x3"

What if the spouse of the sister is a woman? Or the spouse of the brother a
man? What about the sister or brother of the spouse?

By the current definitions, a woman who is married to a woman with a sister
is a brother-in-law, and a woman married to someone with a sister has no
lujvo. It also doesn't work for the relationship between a sibling of one
spouse and a sibling of the other spouse.

With the above in mind, I suggest the following definitions for the two:

me'ispe: "m1 is the sister-in-law of m2"
bunspe: "b1 is the brother-in-law of b2"
tubyspe: "t1 is the sibling-in-law of t2"

Where in each case the bond (m3/b3/t3) is "x1 is, or is a sibling of, s1,
s1 is married to s2, x2 is, or is a sibling of, s2, x1=s1 and x2=s2 is not
true."

The definition for m3/b3/t3 given above only accounts for members of the
same generation. I don't think that the mothers of the married couple are
sisters-in-law, for example, but I may be wrong on that.

In any case, with the suggested definitions:

woman-A is married to man-B. C is A's brother, D is B's sister, E is B's
brother

.abu me'ispe dy. .i dy. me'ispe .abu .i .abu me'ispe .ebu .i .ebu bunspe
.abu .i by. bunspe cy. .i cy. bunspe by. .i dy. .e .ebu tubyspe .abu

If you think that my definition is better than the current, please go to
these links and press the thumbs-up for my definition on the page.

me'ispe <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/me%27ispe>
bunspe<http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/bunspe>
tubyspe <http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/tubyspe>

-- 
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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Why is bunspe defined as sister-in-law and me&#39;ispe is brother-in-law? T=
hat&#39;s completely backwards.<br><br>Specifically, brother-in-law (me&#39=
;ispe) is defined as &quot;x1 is the spouse of the sister of x2 under law/c=
ustom/etc. x3&quot;<br>

and sister-in-law (bunspe) is defined as &quot;x1 is the spouse of the brot=
her of x2 under law/custom/etc. x3&quot;<br><br>What if the spouse of the s=
ister is a woman? Or the spouse of the brother a man? What about the sister=
 or brother of the spouse?<br>

<br>By the current definitions, a woman who is married to a woman with a si=
ster is a brother-in-law, and a woman married to someone with a sister has =
no lujvo. It also doesn&#39;t work for the relationship between a sibling o=
f one spouse and a sibling of the other spouse.<br>

<br>With the above in mind, I suggest the following definitions for the two=
:<br><br>me&#39;ispe: &quot;m1 is the sister-in-law of m2&quot;<br clear=3D=
"all">
bunspe: &quot;b1 is the brother-in-law of b2&quot;<br>
tubyspe: &quot;t1 is the sibling-in-law of t2&quot;<br><br>Where in each ca=
se the bond (m3/b3/t3) is &quot;x1 is, or is a sibling of, s1, s1 is marrie=
d to s2, x2 is, or is a sibling of, s2, x1=3Ds1 and x2=3Ds2 is not true.&qu=
ot;<br>

<br>The definition for m3/b3/t3 given above only accounts for members of th=
e same generation. I don&#39;t think that the mothers of the married couple=
 are sisters-in-law, for example, but I may be wrong on that.<br><br>In any=
 case, with the suggested definitions:<br>

<br>woman-A is married to man-B. C is A&#39;s brother, D is B&#39;s sister,=
 E is B&#39;s brother<br><br>.abu me&#39;ispe dy. .i dy. me&#39;ispe .abu .=
i .abu me&#39;ispe .ebu .i .ebu bunspe .abu .i by. bunspe cy. .i cy. bunspe=
 by. .i dy. .e .ebu tubyspe .abu<br>

<br>If you think that my definition is better than the current, please go t=
o these links and press the thumbs-up for my definition on the page.<br><br=
><a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/me%27ispe" target=3D"_blank">m=
e&#39;ispe</a> <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/bunspe" target=
=3D"_blank">bunspe</a> <a href=3D"http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/tubyspe"=
 target=3D"_blank">tubyspe</a><br>

<br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e .aionys.<br><br>.i.e&#39;ucai ko cmima lo piln=
o be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo&#39;o<br>(Come to the Dot Side! Lu=
ke, I am your father. :D )<br><br>

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