Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:33035) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4Qtk-0005ph-Q4; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:59 -0800 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf3881462wer.16 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:41 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDaqtH6BBoEhjiTIw@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.10.87 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.10.87; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDaqtH6BBoEhjiTIw@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.10.87 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDaqtH6BBoEhjiTIw@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDaqtH6BBoEhjiTIw@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.10.87]) by 10.204.10.87 with SMTP id o23mr444017bko.3.1330926941446 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=a8NMnZYfJNLQ4aKDtWU4lN42B3iEwoTnQaWO44xck/k=; b=VEicczSGhjwf0MZu3b4RFxU4+nFuMPfCp+xE459W2+Rep0MEpVJP0Pb4/8F/Npg6MD 1tlqxCNBp7Sm1A4iqJYx5CwSSz2kGCWSnodhL8uMv2FLc18PRfmAAioVcBGfCGi1uSZZ uy2M32EHJr+7elulGtEeIoMMZsOml6VXWtpz8= Received: by 10.204.10.87 with SMTP id o23mr131817bko.3.1330926938437; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:38 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls6245658bkb.0.gmail; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr1437524bkv.6.1330926936585; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr1437523bkv.6.1330926936555; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f46.google.com [209.85.215.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si16694686bkz.0.2012.03.04.21.55.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.46; Received: by lahj13 with SMTP id j13so4211178lah.19 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.112.101.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.101.194; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.101.194]) by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr8775781lbb.25.1330926936222 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.101.194 with SMTP id fi2mr7181750lbb.25.1330926936062; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:55:36 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <23356818.181.1330873439218.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbze11> <31364838.1990.1330886569137.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblb5> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:55:36 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojbanic equivalent for Italian ciao From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040169b53efb7c04ba78931c X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d040169b53efb7c04ba78931c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i'e.o'ero'aga'icu'i) is definitely not a "generic" greeting, having both a very specific meaning and being applicable as a parting. On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate? > > io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting > > > On 4 March 2012 18:29, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> .io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i >> >> Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-opting .o'e >> [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]: >> >> .o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal >> .o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite >> .o'enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudinal cmavo are the equivalent >>> of a fist bump? >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>> >>>> sa'ei .bymp. ? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>> >>>>> And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump? >>>>> >>>>> stevo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM, vruxir wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally accompanied by a fist bump? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 AM UTC-5, gleki wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Italians say *ciao *both when they greet each other and when >>>>>>> they wanna say goodbye. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So is there any word that has two meanings, >>>>>>> either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ? >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/fA2H_la8Ok8J. >>>>>> >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d040169b53efb7c04ba78931c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i'e.o'ero'aga'ic= u'i) is definitely not a "generic" greeting, having both a ve= ry specific meaning and being applicable as a parting.

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate?

io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting
=


On 4 March 2012 = 18:29, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
.io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i<= br>
Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-optin= g .o'e [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]:=

.o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal
.o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite
.o&#= 39;enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal


=
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudin= al cmavo are the equivalent of a fist bump?=A0

stevo
=

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
sa'ei .bymp. =A0?


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytl= esw@gmail.com> wrote:
And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump?=A0

stevo


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at = 1:42 PM, vruxir <kextrii@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally= accompanied by a fist bump?


On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 = AM UTC-5, gleki wrote:
The Italians say ciao both when they greet each other and when they = wanna say goodbye.

So is there any word that has two mea= nings,=A0
either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ?

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