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[69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i36si4147347anp.0.2012.03.04.23.32.52; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:32:52 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A7D828ADA for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 02:32:52 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] What's the deal with me'ispe and bunspe? Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 02:32:47 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203050232.47562.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sunday, March 04, 2012 23:48:44 Jonathan Jones wrote: > Why is bunspe defined as sister-in-law and me'ispe is brother-in-law? > That's completely backwards. > > Specifically, brother-in-law (me'ispe) is defined as "x1 is the spouse of > the sister of x2 under law/custom/etc. x3" > and sister-in-law (bunspe) is defined as "x1 is the spouse of the brother > of x2 under law/custom/etc. x3" > > What if the spouse of the sister is a woman? Or the spouse of the brother a > man? What about the sister or brother of the spouse? If the spouse of the sister is a woman, she is sister-in-law and me'ispe. Conversely if the spouse of the brother is a man. The sibling of the spouse cu spebruna ja spemensi. Whoever wrote the def wasn't thinking that two women could be married to each other. > By the current definitions, a woman who is married to a woman with a sister > is a brother-in-law, and a woman married to someone with a sister has no > lujvo. It also doesn't work for the relationship between a sibling of one > spouse and a sibling of the other spouse. A brother of one spouse cu me'irspebu'a a brother of the other spouse. Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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