Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]:33228) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4UJR-0007bn-D2; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:42 -0800 Received: by wgbdt10 with SMTP id dt10sf1625775wgb.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:29 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMGclZyxExCjkdL6BBoEl1x6UQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.216.139.201 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.216.139.201; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMGclZyxExCjkdL6BBoEl1x6UQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.216.139.201 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCMGclZyxExCjkdL6BBoEl1x6UQ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCMGclZyxExCjkdL6BBoEl1x6UQ@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.216.139.201]) by 10.216.139.201 with SMTP id c51mr2778623wej.33.1330940069783 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=MF5YR3rCD6OICKXD1vM4jg+WflSisGR/9SRxX0Nr4Aw=; b=Y9aCONak02fni7hZVA95dqOMR6YEY7Yj8sCsDHzQg4jbqO9m07E1EafViNoaWpqO3p yYBBy+1wSbArvQyYx1khwK6TvLD1bUf8Y/uhQgJmuslxCZB1CRiE9f7ffNHNZtBtmxg6 Yp5BgHeyI5oO5tIFV4+htt2VsZrbFNtziVAoU= Received: by 10.216.139.201 with SMTP id c51mr814288wej.33.1330940067144; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:27 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.168.148 with SMTP id k20ls8265372wel.0.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.107.35 with SMTP id gz3mr681406wib.4.1330940065171; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.107.35 with SMTP id gz3mr681405wib.4.1330940065160; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n1si3487661wiy.0.2012.03.05.01.34.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by wgbdr1 with SMTP id dr1so1624584wgb.6 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 10.180.90.212 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.90.212; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.90.212]) by 10.180.90.212 with SMTP id by20mr13829542wib.12.1330940065133 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.90.212 with SMTP id by20mr10999353wib.12.1330940065073; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 01:34:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.144.212 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 01:34:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <30903050.276.1330692193136.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynca15> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:34:24 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths) From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / > That sounds pretty normal to me. It's like 'spelling' a number to verify > it. Phone numbers are read the same way. I think that's two very different things. When you read a phone number or register a room number, or even give a year, you give a MNEMONIC. Saying nineteen-o-three or six-three-one or saying a phone number in any of the numerous ways to segment it (not forgetting the "normal numeral" way) : you just say some numeric value which is used as a *menmonic* but FOO-BAR-THINGEY would do as well as THREE-TWO-ONE. That's also why you can use Heavenly Stems, which are a cyclic system of patterns that emulate small integers. But when you want to speak of a QUANTITY, it becoms important to tell if some digit indicates a DOZEN, a HUNDRED, a TERABYTE, and so on. *Weight* becomes an essential notion. At least, it renders the imagination of what the number means more easy to build up. 234 is 2 hundreds plus 3 tens plus 4 units, and 200 is simply 2 hundreds, so you can sum 200 + 300 by thinking "2 + 3" hundreds, and then, act as if "HUNDRED" was a mere noun. (By the way, it's the same reason in fraction, there is a denominator and a numerator. TWO THIRDS is two things of the same kind, namely "thirds". The demoninator "third" encapsulates the denomination of this kind. The numerator numbers it, that is, it says there are two of the kind) . So, let's not confuse MNEMONICS and QUANTITIES. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.