Nope, deci= mal. "Eleven" and "twelve" just mean "one over" and "two over" -- ove= r ten, of course

SWH is notoriously ill-defined and most o= f the formulations miss crucial parts of the original. That being sai= d, the summation of acceptance is about right.

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From: Sid <cntrational@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 6:14 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban= in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths)

doi la'oi Fr=F6jd

English uses eleven and twelve because it's base-1= 2, not base-10.

doi lai ry Muhammad an-Nuqrashi ry

Sapir-Whor= f has two variants -- one is whether language *limits* what
you can thin= k, and the other is if language merely influences how you
think. The for= mer is near completely disproven, the latter is fairly
well accepted.
mi'e cntr

On 3 March 2012 20:08, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <s= o.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been trying to find the re= ference of what I've been reading, but I
> haven't found it yet. From= what I remember, it was something about chinese
> count like eight-n= ine-ten-tenone-tentwo etc, instead of the illogical
> eleven-twelve e= tc. So that could be the cause why chinese children grasp the
> base-= 10 position system earlier. Unfortunately I have no reference to this
> research at the moment. But maybe this could be a start?:
= >
> "Other experiments have demonstrated differences in how Wester= ners and East
> Asians think about objects (Iwao & Gentner, 1997)= , numbers (Lucy & Gaskins,
> 1997), and space (Levinson, 1996) an= d how processing numbers when doing
> arithmetic problems is related = to language differences between
> Chinese-speaking and English-speaki= ng participants (Tang et al., 2006)"
>
> mu'omi'e jongausib
= >
>
> 2012/3/3 Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <muhammad.= nael@gmail.com>
>>
>> I've read a bit in Mandarin = and its sisters but I never got as far as
>> numerals; mostly stop= ped at the Wikipedia page!
>> +Sebastian, I'd really, really^99,&n= bsp;love to see a paper about that
>> research. I've been fascinated with SW-H until they left me no evidence it
>> could e= xist... If the research is 'that' positive, I might take out a few
>&= gt; old projects from my safe!
>>
>>>
>>> = From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for
&= gt;>> thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. Th= at's
>>> okay, though, because any digit based system is poor a= t expressing
>>> quantity at scale.
>>
>>
= >> +.arpis. , So that's a 'go-for-it' recommendation?
>>
= >> PS. I'm sorry for late replies, those I've made and those yet to c= ome, but
>> my connection is quite unstable >.<
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