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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:57 AM, Sid <= span dir=3D"ltr"><cntrational@g= mail.com> wrote:

"Eleven" and "twelve" co= me from Proto-Germanic *ainlif and *twalif,
which are in turn derived from phrases that were literally "one left&q= uot;
and "two left". But, yeah, I goofed; English has special words fo= r 11
and 12 because its ancestors were duodecimal, but it's not fully
duodecimal today.

On 5 March 2012 20:37, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Nope, decimal.=A0 "Eleven" and "twelve" just mean = "one over" and "two over" --
> over ten, of course
> SWH is notoriously ill-defined and most of the formulations miss cruci= al
> parts of the original.=A0 That being said, the summation of acceptance= is
> about right.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Sid <cntrational@gma= il.com>
> To: lojban@googlegroups.com=
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 6:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts = (eg. maths)
>
> doi la'oi Fr=F6jd
>
> English uses eleven and twelve because it's base-12, not base-10.<= br> >
> doi lai ry Muhammad an-Nuqrashi ry
>
> Sapir-Whorf has two variants -- one is whether language *limits* what<= br> > you can think, and the other is if language merely influences how you<= br> > think. The former is near completely disproven, the latter is fairly > well accepted.
>
> mi'e cntr
>
> On 3 March 2012 20:08, Sebastian Fr=F6jd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've been trying to find the reference of what I've been r= eading, but I
>> haven't found it yet. From what I remember, it was something a= bout chinese
>> count like eight-nine-ten-tenone-tentwo etc, instead of the illogi= cal
>> eleven-twelve etc. So that could be the cause why chinese children= grasp
>> the
>> base-10 position system earlier. Unfortunately I have no reference= to this
>> research at the moment. But maybe this could be a start?:
>>
>> "Other experiments have demonstrated differences in how Weste= rners and
>> East
>> Asians think about objects (Iwao & Gentner, 1997), numbers (Lu= cy &
>> Gaskins,
>> 1997), and space (Levinson, 1996) and how processing numbers when = doing
>> arithmetic problems is related to language differences between
>> Chinese-speaking and English-speaking participants (Tang et al., 2= 006)"
>>
>> mu'omi'e jongausib
>>
>>
>> 2012/3/3 Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I've read a bit in Mandarin and its sisters but I never go= t as far as
>>> numerals; mostly stopped at the Wikipedia page!
>>> +Sebastian, I'd really, really^99,=A0love to see a paper a= bout that
>>> research. I've been fascinated with SW-H until they left m= e no evidence
>>> it
>>> could exist... If the research is 'that' positive, I m= ight take out a few
>>> old projects from my safe!
>>>
>>>>
>>>> From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than= English for
>>>> thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't m= atter. That's
>>>> okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at ex= pressing
>>>> quantity at scale.
>>>
>>>
>>> +.arpis. , So that's a 'go-for-it' recommendation?=
>>>
>>> PS. I'm sorry for late replies, those I've made and th= ose yet to come,
>>> but
>>> my connection is quite unstable >.<
>>>
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