<= /div>

.i ko'a terspetunba mi

"he/she is my sibling-in-law (si= bling's spouse or spouse's sibling, according to marriage law in my culture= )"

Non-specific in-law in general:

.i ko= 'a terspeki'i mi

"he/she is related to me via marriage law in my = culture"

Otherwise, I would assume,= by my understanding of tanru where the first element modifies the second, = that the most basic definitions of me'ispe and bunspe are:

lo me'ispe: sister kind-of spouse -> sister's spouse (gender no= t specified, so not necessarily brother- or sister-in-law)

(short= hand for lo speni be lo mensi)

lo bunspe: brother = kind-of spouse -> brother's spouse (gender not specified, so not ne= cessarily brother- or sister-in-law)

(shorthand for lo speni be l= o bruna)

And then:

lo speme'i: spouse kind-of sister -> spouse's sister (one kind = of sister-in-law)

(shorthand for lo mensi be lo speni)

lo spebu'a: spouse kind-of brother -> spouse's brother (o= ne kind of brother-in-law)

(shorthand for lo bruna be lo speni)

I do think the current me'ispe and b= unspe definitions are misleading in their use of gendered terms, using Engl= ish terms with complex and ambiguous meanings. If the definition is looking= for search hits, then:

Searching for "brother-in-= law" should bring up me'ispe, bunspe, spebu'a and terspebu'a

Sear= ching for "sister-in-law" should bring up me'ispe, bunspe, speme'i and ters= peme'i

Searching for "in-law" should bring up... lots of things.<= /div>

mu'o

O= n Monday, March 5, 2012 3:30:58 AM UTC-5, aionys wrote:

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at = 12:32 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

On Sunday, March 04, 2012 23:48:44 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> Why is bunspe defined as sister-in-law and me'ispe is brother-in-law?<= br> > That's completely backwards.
>
> Specifically, brother-in-law (me'ispe) is defined as "x1 is the spouse= of
> the sister of x2 under law/custom/etc. x3"
> and sister-in-law (bunspe) is defined as "x1 is the spouse of the brot= her
> of x2 under law/custom/etc. x3"
>
> What if the spouse of the sister is a woman? Or the spouse of the brot= her a
> man? What about the sister or brother of the spouse?

If the spouse of the sister is a woman, she is sister-in-law and me'i= spe.
Conversely if the spouse of the brother is a man. The sibling of the spouse= cu
spebruna ja spemensi. Whoever wrote the def wasn't thinking that two women<= br> could be married to each other.

The problem is tha= t it is the gender of the married person that is taken into account, not th= e gender of the person being spoken of. Whether I am a brother-in-law or a = sister-in-law has nothing to do with the gender of my married sibling.

Also, why does it matter which of the two is the married one? If Man1 m= arries Woman1 who has a brother Man2, Man2 is Man1's brother-in-law, and Ma= n1 is Man2's brother-in-law. If Man1 also has a biological or adopted broth= er Man3, then Man2 and Man3 are also each other's brothers-in-law, even if = neither of them are married.

If any sibling from family A marries any sibling from family B, then ev= ery sibling in family A is a sibling-in-law to every sibling in family B, e= xcept for the two who are married, as they are spouses, not siblings-in-law= .

> By the current definitions, a woman who is married to a woman wit= h a sister
> is a brother-in-law, and a woman married to someone with a sister has = no
> lujvo. It also doesn't work for the relationship between a sibling of = one
> spouse and a sibling of the other spouse.

A brother of one spouse cu me'irspebu'a a brother of the other spouse= .

Pierre
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