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On Monday, March 05, 2012 03:30:58 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> The problem is that it is the gender of the married person that is taken
> into account, not the gender of the person being spoken of. Whether I am =
a
> brother-in-law or a sister-in-law has nothing to do with the gender of my
> married sibling.
>=20
> Also, why does it matter which of the two is the married one? If Man1
> marries Woman1 who has a brother Man2, Man2 is Man1's brother-in-law, and
> Man1 is Man2's brother-in-law. If Man1 also has a biological or adopted
> brother Man3, then Man2 and Man3 are also each other's brothers-in-law,
> even if neither of them are married.
>=20
> If any sibling from family A marries any sibling from family B, then ever=
y
> sibling in family A is a sibling-in-law to every sibling in family B,
> except for the two who are married, as they are spouses, not
> siblings-in-law.

You seem to be unacquainted with different kinship term systems. Inlaws zo'=
u,=20
Lojban is descriptive, whereas English is classificatory. There are some=20
languages in which different terms for "cousin" are used depending on wheth=
er=20
their parents are siblings of the same sex or of different sexes. There's n=
o=20
reason why Lojban should use the same system as English.

I don't know enough of Hindi, Chinese, or Arabic to say anything about thei=
r=20
kinship terms, but I do know some Spanish and Russian. Both languages prese=
rve=20
some in-law terms inherited from Indo-European. Russian is more descriptive=
,=20
Spanish more classificatory. Spanish has:
nuera: daughter-in-law
yerno: son-in-law
cu=C3=B1ado, cu=C3=B1ada: brother-in-law, sister-in-law (in both directions=
)
suegro, suegra: father-in-law, mother-in-law
Russian has:
=D1=81=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=85=D0=B0: a man's son's wife
=D0=B7=D1=8F=D1=82=D1=8C: daughter's husband
=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D1=8C: husband's brother
=D1=81=D0=B2=D1=91=D0=BA=D0=BE=D1=80: husband's father
=D1=82=D0=B5=D1=81=D1=82=D1=8C: wife's father
Cognates:
=D1=81=D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=85=D0=B0=3Dnuera (and Old English snoru, lost in Mode=
rn English)
=D0=B7=D1=8F=D1=82=D1=8C=3Dyerno
=D0=B4=D0=B5=D0=B2=D0=B5=D1=80=D1=8C (Latin levir, lost in Spanish)
=D1=81=D0=B2=D1=91=D0=BA=D0=BE=D1=80=3Dsuegro (and Old English sweor, lost =
in Modern English).

Pierre
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