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>
>
>> In a tanru. the x1 (but not necessarily the other places) has to fit the=
=20
> x1 of both the seltau and the tertau. In this case, that means that both=
=20
> {lo speni mensi} and {lo mensi speni} must be both {lo mensi} and {lo=20
> speni}, i.e. a married sister, a sister who is also a wife.
>
>
If the x1 had to fit the x1 of both the seltau and the tertau, then "lo=20
nixli ckule" would be both a girl and a school, and "lo pelnimre tricu"=20
would be both a lemon and a tree.

http://dag.github.com/cll/5/2/

"The most important rule for use in interpreting tanru is that the tertau=
=20
carries the primary meaning. A =93pelnimre tricu=94 is primarily a tree, an=
d=20
only secondarily is it connected with lemons in some way."


Am I missing a revised rule about tanru? What's your source?
=20

> By the current definition, {lo me'ispe cu speni lo mensi be lo se speni}:=
=20
> "x1 is married to the sister of x2", {lo bunspe cu speni lo bruna be lo s=
e=20
> speni}, "x1 is married to the brother of x2".
>
> As you can see, the current definition isn't based on a tanru either.
>
>
Right. The current lujvo definition narrows the meaning past what would be=
=20
implied by mensi speni / bruna speni, but it is consistent with the tanru=
=20
(not that it has to be) in making "speni" the primary meaning.

mu'o

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<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bor=
der-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin=
-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204)=
; border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; "><br></blockquote>In a tanr=
u. the x1 (but not necessarily the other places) has to fit the x1 of both =
the seltau and the tertau. In this case, that means that both {lo speni men=
si} and {lo mensi speni} must be both {lo mensi} and {lo speni}, i.e. a mar=
ried sister, a sister who is also a wife.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If the x1 had to fit the x1 of both th=
e seltau and the tertau, then "lo nixli ckule" would be both a girl and a s=
chool, and "lo pelnimre tricu" would be both a lemon and a tree.</div><div>=
<br></div><div><a href=3D"http://dag.github.com/cll/5/2/">http://dag.github=
.com/cll/5/2/</a><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote style=3D"margin: 0 0 =
0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>"The most important rule for use =
in interpreting tanru is that the tertau carries the primary meaning. A =93=
pelnimre tricu=94 is primarily a tree, and only secondarily is it connected=
 with lemons in some way."</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Am I missi=
ng a revised rule about tanru? What's your source?</div><div>&nbsp;</div><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;borde=
r-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">By the current definition, {lo m=
e'ispe cu speni lo mensi be lo se speni}: "x1 is married to the sister of x=
2", {lo bunspe cu speni lo bruna be lo se speni}, "x1 is married to the bro=
ther of x2".<br>
<br>As you can see, the current definition isn't based on a tanru either.<b=
r clear=3D"all"><br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right. The current luj=
vo definition narrows the meaning past what would be implied by mensi speni=
 / bruna speni, but it is consistent with the tanru (not that it has to be)=
 in making "speni" the primary meaning.</div><div><br></div><div>mu'o</div>

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