Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:63577) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4irs-0001Gw-TM; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:07:19 -0800 Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17sf3281529pbc.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCyxtX6BBoEcPsU1A@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.74.233 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.74.233; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCyxtX6BBoEcPsU1A@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.74.233 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCyxtX6BBoEcPsU1A@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCyxtX6BBoEcPsU1A@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.74.233]) by 10.52.74.233 with SMTP id x9mr11446767vdv.15.1330996022871 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:07:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=k5ZCgS78AwXMsWWQ4aCtYAxmIRnYMpVsHDi3MJWWHPc=; b=SnmnI8pvJEOU6BXzIkahZHA6APSiIh89ZvwJPtO+wvY106I0g5/CRV0/oLpznqxFMZ WtomQB+HveQ1oQPueJ1Dr5wtwXac2rcm0atPNxlnqkR9ffsSExby1par4MjECHl7SSDW moxMGCqJpdzilUP+V749tL32CJVfVCukn2AYc= Received: by 10.52.74.233 with SMTP id x9mr3318424vdv.15.1330996018937; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.21.6 with SMTP id r6ls6395349vde.9.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.20.173 with SMTP id o13mr20544706vde.1.1330996018438; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.20.173 with SMTP id o13mr20544702vde.1.1330996018416; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vx0-f179.google.com (mail-vx0-f179.google.com [209.85.220.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y2si6840021vdt.3.2012.03.05.17.06.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.179; Received: by vcbf11 with SMTP id f11so4089396vcb.24 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 10.52.27.99 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.27.99; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.27.99]) by 10.52.27.99 with SMTP id s3mr38791554vdg.121.1330996018357 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.27.99 with SMTP id s3mr33216744vdg.121.1330996018288; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.30.97 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:06:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <23356818.181.1330873439218.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbze11> <31364838.1990.1330886569137.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblb5> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:06:38 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojbanic equivalent for Italian ciao To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.220.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50166b9de191004ba88a8db X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec50166b9de191004ba88a8db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Huh, maybe we're taking this too far. Consider that {coi} means hello, and that {coinai} means goodbye, what does {coicu'i} mean? Also, of course, that attitudinal string doesn't *necessarily* constitute a greeting or a parting, but in the context of coming across someone on the street as well as the context of a meeting coming to an end, I think that I might interpret it that way. Also, it's so awfully long that no one would ever conceivably use it. mi'e la tsani mu'o On 5 March 2012 00:55, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i'e.o'ero'aga'icu'i) is definitely > not a "generic" greeting, having both a very specific meaning and being > applicable as a parting. > > > On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > >> Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate? >> >> io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting >> >> >> On 4 March 2012 18:29, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> .io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i >>> >>> Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-opting .o'e >>> [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]: >>> >>> .o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal >>> .o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite >>> .o'enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudinal cmavo are the equivalent >>>> of a fist bump? >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>> >>>>> sa'ei .bymp. ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump? >>>>>> >>>>>> stevo >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM, vruxir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally accompanied by a fist bump? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 AM UTC-5, gleki wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Italians say *ciao *both when they greet each other and when >>>>>>>> they wanna say goodbye. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So is there any word that has two meanings, >>>>>>>> either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/fA2H_la8Ok8J. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec50166b9de191004ba88a8db Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Huh, maybe we're taking this too far. Consider that {coi} means hello, = and that {coinai} means goodbye, what does {coicu'i} mean?
Also, of = course, that attitudinal string doesn't *necessarily* constitute a gree= ting or a parting, but in the context of coming across someone on the stree= t as well as the context of a meeting coming to an end, I think that I migh= t interpret it that way.

Also, it's so awfully long that no one would ever concei= vably use it.

mi'e la tsani mu'o

On 5 March 2012 00:55, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i= 'e.o'ero'aga'icu'i) is definitely not a "generic&q= uot; greeting, having both a very specific meaning and being applicable as = a parting.


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate?

io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting
=


On 4 March 2012 18:29, Jonath= an Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
.io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i<= br>
Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-optin= g .o'e [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]:=

.o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal
.o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite
.o&#= 39;enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal


=
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudin= al cmavo are the equivalent of a fist bump?=A0

stevo
=

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
sa'ei .bymp. =A0?


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytl= esw@gmail.com> wrote:
And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump?=A0

stevo


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at = 1:42 PM, vruxir <kextrii@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally= accompanied by a fist bump?


On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 = AM UTC-5, gleki wrote:
The Italians say ciao both when they greet each other and when they = wanna say goodbye.

So is there any word that has two mea= nings,=A0
either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ?

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.i.e'u= cai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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