Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:39487) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4jRU-0001qM-U7; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:59 -0800 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf4527312eek.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:49 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDR19X6BBoEg3G6Xg@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.132.88 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.132.88; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDR19X6BBoEg3G6Xg@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.132.88 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDR19X6BBoEg3G6Xg@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDR19X6BBoEg3G6Xg@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.132.88]) by 10.204.132.88 with SMTP id a24mr7358209bkt.1.1330998229567 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=bwyzvFfwj01YuSknviTNQHytx5rBh/WTyP4t1HLxZsQ=; b=iHc5kM1Tv6UfG9cSqVkaejMY/4p/ShMnJXPG50LbrtCMsgD+yjpBdM5nCL/3jYSJ3X 2FHMBFNLVgn5fEdoH1bvJqLjdj2jz7AZzeI/LNU1T5jsUyOC/hOICQRCui25hgd94kUS v6w6AhW+wdMCufHDjFgFqaDFQa/quVgRtQATE= Received: by 10.204.132.88 with SMTP id a24mr2179139bkt.1.1330998225726; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:45 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.4 with SMTP id m4ls3770bkw.1.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1778781bks.0.1330998224700; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr1778780bks.0.1330998224670; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si19940779bko.3.2012.03.05.17.43.44 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by lahm13 with SMTP id m13so5773939lah.9 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 10.152.147.1 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.147.1; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.147.1]) by 10.152.147.1 with SMTP id tg1mr20838254lab.22.1330998224353 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.147.1 with SMTP id tg1mr17013479lab.22.1330998224247; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:43:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <23356818.181.1330873439218.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbze11> <31364838.1990.1330886569137.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblb5> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:43:44 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojbanic equivalent for Italian ciao From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f2351775a5c0a04ba892ccf X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e89a8f2351775a5c0a04ba892ccf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Someone asked what the attitudinal equivalent of a "fist bump" is. That long string is what I take a "fist bump" to mean. Also, where do you get that coinai means goodbye? co'o means goodbye. I'm not aware it saying anywhere that cmavo of COI can be modified by NAI. Could you link the relevant passage? On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > Huh, maybe we're taking this too far. Consider that {coi} means hello, and > that {coinai} means goodbye, what does {coicu'i} mean? > Also, of course, that attitudinal string doesn't *necessarily* constitute > a greeting or a parting, but in the context of coming across someone on the > street as well as the context of a meeting coming to an end, I think that I > might interpret it that way. > > Also, it's so awfully long that no one would ever conceivably use it. > > mi'e la tsani mu'o > > > On 5 March 2012 00:55, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i'e.o'ero'aga'icu'i) is definitely >> not a "generic" greeting, having both a very specific meaning and being >> applicable as a parting. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: >> >>> Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate? >>> >>> io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting >>> >>> >>> On 4 March 2012 18:29, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> .io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i >>>> >>>> Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-opting .o'e >>>> [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]: >>>> >>>> .o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal >>>> .o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite >>>> .o'enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>> >>>>> Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudinal cmavo are the >>>>> equivalent of a fist bump? >>>>> >>>>> stevo >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> sa'ei .bymp. ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> stevo >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally accompanied by a fist bump? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 AM UTC-5, gleki wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Italians say *ciao *both when they greet each other and when >>>>>>>>> they wanna say goodbye. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> So is there any word that has two meanings, >>>>>>>>> either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/fA2H_la8Ok8J. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e89a8f2351775a5c0a04ba892ccf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Someone asked what the attitudinal equivalent of a "fist bump" is= . That long string is what I take a "fist bump" to mean.

A= lso, where do you get that coinai means goodbye? co'o means goodbye. I&= #39;m not aware it saying anywhere that cmavo of COI can be modified by NAI= . Could you link the relevant passage?

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jacob Erring= ton <nictytan@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Huh, maybe we're taking this too far. Consider that {coi} means hello, = and that {coinai} means goodbye, what does {coicu'i} mean?
Also, of = course, that attitudinal string doesn't *necessarily* constitute a gree= ting or a parting, but in the context of coming across someone on the stree= t as well as the context of a meeting coming to an end, I think that I migh= t interpret it that way.

Also, it's so awfully long that no one would ever concei= vably use it.

mi'e la tsani mu'o
=


On 5 March 2012 = 00:55, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i= 'e.o'ero'aga'icu'i) is definitely not a "generic&q= uot; greeting, having both a very specific meaning and being applicable as = a parting.


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate?

io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting
=


On 4 March 2012 18:29, Jonath= an Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
.io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i<= br>
Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-optin= g .o'e [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]:=

.o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal
.o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite
.o&#= 39;enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal


=
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudin= al cmavo are the equivalent of a fist bump?=A0

stevo
=

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
sa'ei .bymp. =A0?


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytl= esw@gmail.com> wrote:
And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump?=A0

stevo


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at = 1:42 PM, vruxir <kextrii@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally= accompanied by a fist bump?


On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 = AM UTC-5, gleki wrote:
The Italians say ciao both when they greet each other and when they = wanna say goodbye.

So is there any word that has two mea= nings,=A0
either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ?

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