Received: from mail-tul01m020-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:35024) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4kEC-0002Ws-Ga; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:23 -0800 Received: by obbuo6 with SMTP id uo6sf4902252obb.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCe79X6BBoEQ64ftw@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.27.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.27.178; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCe79X6BBoEQ64ftw@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.27.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCe79X6BBoEQ64ftw@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCKvA2oWYARCe79X6BBoEQ64ftw@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.27.178]) by 10.52.27.178 with SMTP id u18mr4769268vdg.16.1331001250081 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6SkWCPIMOUIcrW+oASZjqjdAS5rt9c5fWPu2kfr6+9I=; b=EVDmos38hv4A6QraywrMD9qQ47snpfGqetNVCX5jeWLDyZDxpdhtZDff+3IoGG962W qBuL47/0mwHQYfMWZGyp2jZZwiVdTlDRZi2KfMVAyF2PtgKrMJv2iqh36HYU1sDfPx2q DMjsYHjZQLFgt+PFbWqrgE815j6bz5ZJXXKUY= Received: by 10.52.27.178 with SMTP id u18mr1394810vdg.16.1331001246281; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.209.196 with SMTP id gh4ls27765vcb.1.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.67.209 with SMTP id p17mr29834549vdt.0.1331001245596; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.67.209 with SMTP id p17mr29834546vdt.0.1331001245579; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vw0-f45.google.com (mail-vw0-f45.google.com [209.85.212.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hc9si1623695vdb.2.2012.03.05.18.34.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.45; Received: by mail-vw0-f45.google.com with SMTP id fs19so5015003vbb.18 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 10.52.98.200 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.98.200; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.98.200]) by 10.52.98.200 with SMTP id ek8mr19045139vdb.36.1331001245561 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.98.200 with SMTP id ek8mr16310552vdb.36.1331001245446; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 18:34:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.30.97 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 18:33:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203052112.03374.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <23356818.181.1330873439218.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbze11> <201203052112.03374.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Jacob Errington Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:33:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojbanic equivalent for Italian ciao To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307abf5d6e306a04ba89e0a4 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307abf5d6e306a04ba89e0a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The CLL says that COI can be suffixed with NAI... I don't see there being any problem with that either. [ju'inai] is defined as meaning "ignore me", as per vlasisku. And, more to the point, [coinai] is defined as "goodbye". The "address refusal meaning" is carried more specifically by [doinai]. [mi'enai] like Pierre said, is "I'm not X" which is pretty useful. Huh, in fact, a whole section of the CLL is dedicated to vocative scales. http://dag.github.com/cll/13/14/ mi'enai na'e bo la tsani mu'o On 5 March 2012 21:12, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Monday, March 05, 2012 20:43:44 Jonathan Jones wrote: > > Also, where do you get that coinai means goodbye? co'o means goodbye. I= 'm > > not aware it saying anywhere that cmavo of COI can be modified by NAI. > > Could you link the relevant passage? > > According to my recollection of a discussion long ago, "coinai" means tha= t > you're refusing to greet someone. I'm not sure how that would be used > without > contriving, but both "mi'enai" and "co'onai" have clear uses. If someone > yelled at you "ju'i blub!", you could answer "mi'enai blub", and if someo= ne > said "co'o" when you're not ready to go or for him to go, you can answer > "co'onai". > > Pierre > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --20cf307abf5d6e306a04ba89e0a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The CLL says that COI can be suffixed with NAI... I don't see there bei= ng any problem with that either. [ju'inai] is defined as meaning "= ignore me", as per vlasisku. And, more to the point, [coinai] is defin= ed as "goodbye". The "address refusal meaning" is carri= ed more specifically by [doinai]. [mi'enai] like Pierre said, is "= I'm not X" which is pretty useful.

Huh, in fact, a whole section of the CLL is dedicated to voc= ative scales.

mi'enai na&#= 39;e bo la tsani mu'o

On 5 March 2012 21:12, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu&= gt; wrote:
On Monday, March 05, 2012 20:43:44 Jonathan Jones wrote:<= br> > Also, where do you get that coinai means goodbye? co'o means goodb= ye. I'm
> not aware it saying anywhere that cmavo of COI can be modified by NAI.=
> Could you link the relevant passage?

According to my recollection of a discussion long ago, "coinai&q= uot; means that
you're refusing to greet someone. I'm not sure how that would be us= ed without
contriving, but both "mi'enai" and "co'onai" ha= ve clear uses. If someone
yelled at you "ju'i blub!", you could answer "mi'ena= i blub", and if someone
said "co'o" when you're not ready to go or for him to go,= you can answer
"co'onai".

Pierre
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La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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