Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:45773) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4lhB-00037T-FK; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:22 -0800 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf4584227eek.16 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:10 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCmm9b6BBoEriTeXQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.156.215 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.204.156.215; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCmm9b6BBoEriTeXQ@googlegroups.com designates 10.204.156.215 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCmm9b6BBoEriTeXQ@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRCmm9b6BBoEriTeXQ@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.204.156.215]) by 10.204.156.215 with SMTP id y23mr6600740bkw.5.1331006890167 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to :references:from:date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=g9lhoST5sRzG7mUscxPTf5qRHEwuvQVrgSMUp85gvfY=; b=3Gs8l21Xi6xSN8TP0JWPS8Y6mK/IU8uatV7uBph5AHO9b9oVrpmg9ln8gbty8Z1IpR 8P2iW7JZUj0k4w4IBbyDG+IhSvfUZs9btQMdJEWj7tm+XOgM/tXFaQa7PvjXM4pZRiH/ QF99Uq4pIOFhXUz/eK/IP+X+wccB8d4boT7Ck= Received: by 10.204.156.215 with SMTP id y23mr1951449bkw.5.1331006886331; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:06 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.4 with SMTP id m4ls82591bkw.1.gmail; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.153.5 with SMTP id i5mr1799124bkw.1.1331006885550; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.153.5 with SMTP id i5mr1799123bkw.1.1331006885505; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si20337437bkz.0.2012.03.05.20.08.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.53; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com with SMTP id c1so6176032lah.12 for ; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 10.152.130.234 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.152.130.234; Received: from mr.google.com ([10.152.130.234]) by 10.152.130.234 with SMTP id oh10mr23058507lab.35.1331006885339 (num_hops = 1); Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.152.130.234 with SMTP id oh10mr18845182lab.35.1331006885167; Mon, 05 Mar 2012 20:08:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.1 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:07:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <23356818.181.1330873439218.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbze11> <31364838.1990.1330886569137.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vblb5> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 23:07:45 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojbanic equivalent for Italian ciao To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d042c5ec795809e04ba8b3030 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d042c5ec795809e04ba8b3030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "coinai" was from the recent Lojban video that was linked to, and I questioned this term. Whether "coinai" is a valid word, it shouldn't be synonymous with "co'o", which is 'goodbye'. stevo On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Someone asked what the attitudinal equivalent of a "fist bump" is. That > long string is what I take a "fist bump" to mean. > > Also, where do you get that coinai means goodbye? co'o means goodbye. I'm > not aware it saying anywhere that cmavo of COI can be modified by NAI. > Could you link the relevant passage? > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: > >> Huh, maybe we're taking this too far. Consider that {coi} means hello, >> and that {coinai} means goodbye, what does {coicu'i} mean? >> Also, of course, that attitudinal string doesn't *necessarily* constitute >> a greeting or a parting, but in the context of coming across someone on the >> street as well as the context of a meeting coming to an end, I think that I >> might interpret it that way. >> >> Also, it's so awfully long that no one would ever conceivably use it. >> >> mi'e la tsani mu'o >> >> >> On 5 March 2012 00:55, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >>> I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i'e.o'ero'aga'icu'i) is >>> definitely not a "generic" greeting, having both a very specific meaning >>> and being applicable as a parting. >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington wrote: >>> >>>> Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate? >>>> >>>> io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 March 2012 18:29, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> .io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i >>>>> >>>>> Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-opting .o'e >>>>> [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]: >>>>> >>>>> .o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal >>>>> .o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite >>>>> .o'enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudinal cmavo are the >>>>>> equivalent of a fist bump? >>>>>> >>>>>> stevo >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> sa'ei .bymp. ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> stevo >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:42 PM, vruxir wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally accompanied by a fist bump? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 AM UTC-5, gleki wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Italians say *ciao *both when they greet each other and when >>>>>>>>>> they wanna say goodbye. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So is there any word that has two meanings, >>>>>>>>>> either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/fA2H_la8Ok8J. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d042c5ec795809e04ba8b3030 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "coinai" was from the recent Lojban video that was linked to, and= I questioned this term. Whether "coinai" is a valid word, it sho= uldn't be synonymous with "co'o", which is 'goodbye&#= 39;.=A0

stevo

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 = at 8:43 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Someone asked what the attitudinal equivalent of a "fist bump" is= . That long string is what I take a "fist bump" to mean.

A= lso, where do you get that coinai means goodbye? co'o means goodbye. I&= #39;m not aware it saying anywhere that cmavo of COI can be modified by NAI= . Could you link the relevant passage?


On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Jacob Erring= ton <nictytan@gmail.com> wrote:
Huh, maybe we're taking this too far. Consider that {coi} means hello, = and that {coinai} means goodbye, what does {coicu'i} mean?
Also, of = course, that attitudinal string doesn't *necessarily* constitute a gree= ting or a parting, but in the context of coming across someone on the stree= t as well as the context of a meeting coming to an end, I think that I migh= t interpret it that way.

Also, it's so awfully long that no one would ever concei= vably use it.

mi'e la tsani mu'o
=


On 5 March 2012 00:55, Jonath= an Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I suppose ro'a works as well, but {.io.i= 'e.o'ero'aga'icu'i) is definitely not a "generic&q= uot; greeting, having both a very specific meaning and being applicable as = a parting.


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com&= gt; wrote:
Why emotional? Isn't social, {ro'a}, more appropriate?

io o'ero'a ga'icu'i -> generic greeting
=


On 4 March 2012 18:29, Jonath= an Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
.io.i'e.o'ero'iga'icu'i<= br>
Lojban doesn't seem to have a politeness UI, so I'm co-optin= g .o'e [closeness - distance] in combination with ro'i [emotional]:=

.o'ero'i - emotional closeness - friends - informal
.o'ecu'iro'i - emotionally neutral - strangers - polite
.o&#= 39;enairo'i - emotional distance - superiors - formal


=
On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:43 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay, I meant, what combination of attitudin= al cmavo are the equivalent of a fist bump?=A0

stevo
=

On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Luke Be= rgen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
sa'ei .bymp. =A0?


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 3:53 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytl= esw@gmail.com> wrote:
And what's the spoken equivalent of the fist bump?=A0

stevo


On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at = 1:42 PM, vruxir <kextrii@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps a simple ".io", optionally= accompanied by a fist bump?


On Sunday, March 4, 2012 10:03:59 = AM UTC-5, gleki wrote:
The Italians say ciao both when they greet each other and when they = wanna say goodbye.

So is there any word that has two mea= nings,=A0
either {coi} or {co'o} depending on context ?

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.i.e'u= cai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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