Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:40135) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4qGw-0004eq-Ig; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:01:31 -0800 Received: by vcbgb30 with SMTP id gb30sf3496025vcb.16 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:01:22 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKOXn8wTEN-k1_oEGgSy59fH@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.72.68 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.72.68; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCKOXn8wTEN-k1_oEGgSy59fH@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.72.68 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCKOXn8wTEN-k1_oEGgSy59fH@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCKOXn8wTEN-k1_oEGgSy59fH@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.72.68]) by 10.52.72.68 with SMTP id b4mr13461206vdv.8.1331024482879 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:01:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=YmzAYKMfvzqvBjax+Agu1VOD7pCCMcaSVYHDCN/qiX4=; b=jpzUeJ77fVztAl8pOrqE3sGUU8kxLuWvXyj6otAf/BMFz/jv9YaotJPADi9HeVrfs/ 1g6JXDdQjU1SM1dLExQbOQFXxyDVjKHkvm7sNIvMTiqr5/pKCIiuWnt3lC7Hg97kv7os mAMGU8aFJ/e+QlM5gZy6yFG0xA2IlS0dJb/j8= Received: by 10.52.72.68 with SMTP id b4mr3909642vdv.8.1331024479110; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:01:19 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.96.162 with SMTP id dt2ls261049vdb.3.gmail; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:01:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.180.102 with SMTP id dn6mr3926896vdc.6.1331024478411; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 01:01:18 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 01:01:17 -0800 (PST) From: gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <20394136.112.1331024477793.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcu2> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?=5Blojban=5D_A_suggestion_for_new_h=E0nz=EC=2Dbase_writing_s?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ystem?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_111_28650353.1331024477792" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_111_28650353.1331024477792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The number of Esperanto speakers has dropped in China considerably in the= =20 last decades. Esperanto leaders say it's all because it's hard for native Chinese=20 speakers to learn Latin alphabet and understand that each symbol doesn't=20 represent any semantic element but rather just a (usually) meaningless=20 sound. That's why I'm happy that Lojban doesn't have any official writing system. Here is a draft of h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC (Chinese symbol)-based Lojbanic writing = method. 1. Every gismu and it's corresponding rafsi are represented using one=20 symbol usually taken from h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC table. e.g. {melbi} is =E7=BE=8E (pronounced as melbi, but in the original Chines= e script=20 it's mei3 that means "beautiful") =E6=9B=B4 - zmadu (in hanzi it means "more" or "to change") 1a. Rafsi are written with exactly the same symbols but may be pronounced= =20 in a short form (not only {melb}, but {mle}, {mle} too) 2. Lujvo are written by joining several gismu together using simple=20 character. For now I suggest caret (^) but it might be changed. e.g.=20 =E7=BE=8E^=E6=9B=B4 - mlemau 3. Personal names are written using jbopomofo or standard Chinese methods= =20 (using rare symbols with predefined sounding to represent certain sounds=20 instead of meaning) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/1h6HqOkYNf8J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_111_28650353.1331024477792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The number of Esperanto speakers has dropped in China considerably in the l= ast decades.
Esperanto leaders say it's all because it's hard for nativ= e Chinese speakers to learn Latin alphabet and understand that each symbol = doesn't represent any semantic element but rather just a (usually) meaningl= ess sound.

That's why I'm happy that Lojban doesn'= t have any official writing system.

Here is a draf= t of h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC (Chinese symbol)-based Lojbanic writing method.
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1. Every gismu and it's corresponding rafsi are represen= ted using one symbol usually taken from h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC table.
e.g. {melbi} is =E7=BE=8E  (pronounced as melbi, but in the origina= l Chinese script it's mei3 that means "beautiful")
=E6=9B=B4 - zm= adu (in hanzi it means "more" or "to change")
1a. Rafsi are w= ritten with exactly the same symbols but may be pronounced in a short form = (not only {melb}, but {mle}, {mle} too)
2. Lujvo are written by j= oining several gismu together using simple character. For now I suggest car= et (^) but it might be changed.
e.g. 
=E7=BE=8E^= =E6=9B=B4 - mlemau
3. Personal names are written us= ing jbopomofo or standard Chinese methods (using rare symbols with predefin= ed sounding to represent certain sounds instead of meaning)

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