Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]:62492) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S4smu-0005pD-Sf; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:42:42 -0800 Received: by qcsq5 with SMTP id q5sf5285884qcs.16 for ; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:42:34 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCJiil_r2FRCo8Nf6BBoEulkr5A@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.94.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.52.94.100; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lojban+bncCJiil_r2FRCo8Nf6BBoEulkr5A@googlegroups.com designates 10.52.94.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lojban+bncCJiil_r2FRCo8Nf6BBoEulkr5A@googlegroups.com; dkim=pass header.i=lojban+bncCJiil_r2FRCo8Nf6BBoEulkr5A@googlegroups.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.52.94.100]) by 10.52.94.100 with SMTP id db4mr13600268vdb.10.1331034154086 (num_hops = 1); Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:42:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=j9Qzd4IOvmIoB0lQg6OUzCShToOktOo2mh1l6HYU5s4=; b=u66fDsfIVzRA+750vauZ88+XJxOlun3MUCJq6xEh0Mz6eqNA6jRUQggOOMr9JRGGMd JzvMCLCBCG05gqxkCwP7PWLEpicMhy0+H1yeoqexkDyOLLB7OaZH5ETERcRMupSTm2eT eIYFpWsvCFFvGtJNxLu4Y1KmokQqMZ74Ul1AQ= Received: by 10.52.94.100 with SMTP id db4mr3952875vdb.10.1331034152182; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:42:32 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.170.78 with SMTP id ak14ls370856vdc.6.gmail; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:42:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.22.3 with SMTP id z3mr3992098vde.2.1331034151165; Tue, 06 Mar 2012 03:42:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:42:31 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:42:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1238c2a6-9582-4fd1-adb7-c122292ffb2e@cj6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8df591ed-211c-4b59-a8ad-5ae65738a4fc@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" From: "buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk" To: lojban X-Original-Sender: buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / coi ki'e co'o ki'esdi'es. ************************************************************** On 3 =E3=C7=D1=D3, 09:01, David Demartin wrote: > awesome translation, thanks. > > Le 2 mars 2012 13:28, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi a > =E9crit : > > > > > coi > >> Young people, > >> =A0Rhetoric: the using of all grammars in speech, even if it optional, > >> almost, "you can stand on the logic" > >> =A0Eloquence: to use the most appropriate synonym in every place in > >> speech. > >> The =A0both is the magnificence of speech and remove the ambiguity for > >> the listener completely. > >> =A0This is advisable for the speakers to lojban. > > > *Welcome,* > > *Youth,* > > *To speak rhetorically is to use the grammar and vocabulary of the > > language to the full extent; you don't only choose the fastest way to s= ay > > something that could be clearer when said in longer phrases, and you do= n't > > do the opposite when ambiguity is negligible enough for human readers. = You > > "overcome" logic by using the "invisible logic," aka common-sense and > > relying on that the reader should have it.* > > *It isn't advisable to cherish brevity over clearness. Mega-words that > > have many meanings of one concept in a language like Lojban (relying on > > lujvo's for other meanings) are usually a bad idea as most people tend = to > > hold themselves onto what the dictionary offers.* > > *This is advisable for Lojban speakers.* > > * > > * > > And I'm out for today! > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den.- =C5=CE=DD=C7=C1 =C7=E1= =E4=D5 =C7=E1=E3=DE=CA=C8=D3 - > > - =DA=D1=D6 =C7=E1=E4=D5 =C7=E1=E3=DE=CA=C8=D3 - --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. 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