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On Tuesday, March 06, 2012 06:52:13 buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
> coi
> 
> bridi: subject cu verb object x3 x4 x5 vau
> 
> x1: the subject
> x2:the object
> x3: what?
> x4: what?
> x5: what?
> 
> Or what is the logic used by the scientist in the vocabulary
> definition of the dictionary ?

Most English verbs have no more than three places, where x1 is the subject, x2 
is the direct object, and x3 is the indirect object. At least one verb (namely 
"bet") has a fourth place. If "to" is not used to mark the indirect object, 
the order is x1 verb x3 x2 x4.

In the ergative alignment, x1 is the direct object, x2 is the subject, and x3 
is the indirect object. I don't know any ergative languages.

Lojban lacks alignment. In a bridi with "dunda", x3 is the indirect object, 
but in a bridi with "grake", x3 isn't a subject, direct object, or indirect 
object; it's the standard used to define the unit (currently a hunk of metal 
stored in a suburb of Paris, hopefully soon a physical constant like the rest 
of them). Some categories of brivla have consistent place assignments; all 
second places of words denoting kinds of plant, animal, or other living thing 
denote a taxon to which the living thing belongs. Similarly all second places 
of measuring words denote the numerical value. But there is no connection 
between x2 of grake/mitre/delno and x2 of lanme/tirxu/finpe/xruba.

Pierre
-- 
li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci

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