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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:01 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> The number of Esperanto speakers has dropped in China considerably in the
> last decades.
> Esperanto leaders say it's all because it's hard for native Chinese
> speakers to learn Latin alphabet and understand that each symbol doesn't
> represent any semantic element but rather just a (usually) meaningless
> sound.
>

If 'Esperanto leaders' really did say that, then I think they are grossly
misinformed.

stevo

>
> That's why I'm happy that Lojban doesn't have any official writing system=
.
>
> Here is a draft of h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC (Chinese symbol)-based Lojbanic writin=
g method.
>
> 1. Every gismu and it's corresponding rafsi are represented using one
> symbol usually taken from h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC table.
> e.g. {melbi} is =E7=BE=8E  (pronounced as melbi, but in the original Chin=
ese
> script it's mei3 that means "beautiful")
> =E6=9B=B4 - zmadu (in hanzi it means "more" or "to change")
> 1a. Rafsi are written with exactly the same symbols but may be pronounced
> in a short form (not only {melb}, but {mle}, {mle} too)
> 2. Lujvo are written by joining several gismu together using simple
> character. For now I suggest caret (^) but it might be changed.
> e.g.
> =E7=BE=8E^=E6=9B=B4 - mlemau
> 3. Personal names are written using jbopomofo or standard Chinese methods
> (using rare symbols with predefined sounding to represent certain sounds
> instead of meaning)
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:01 AM, gleki <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.=
my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

The number of Esperanto speakers has dropped in China considerably in the l=
ast decades.<div>Esperanto leaders say it&#39;s all because it&#39;s hard f=
or native Chinese speakers to learn Latin alphabet and understand that each=
 symbol doesn&#39;t represent any semantic element but rather just a (usual=
ly) meaningless sound.</div>

</blockquote><div><br></div><div>If &#39;Esperanto leaders&#39; really did =
say that, then I think they are grossly misinformed.=C2=A0</div><div><br></=
div><div>stevo</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0=
 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div><br></div><div>That&#39;s why I&#39;m happy that Lojban doesn&#39;t ha=
ve any official writing system.</div><div><br></div><div>Here is a draft of=
 h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC (Chinese symbol)-based Lojbanic writing method.</div><div>=
<br></div>

<div>1. Every gismu and it&#39;s corresponding rafsi are represented using =
one symbol usually taken from=C2=A0h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC table.</div><div>e.g. {m=
elbi} is =E7=BE=8E =C2=A0(pronounced as melbi, but in the original Chinese =
script it&#39;s mei3 that means &quot;beautiful&quot;)</div>

<div>=E6=9B=B4 - zmadu (in hanzi it means &quot;more&quot; or &quot;to chan=
ge&quot;)<br></div><div>1a. Rafsi are written with exactly the same symbols=
 but may be pronounced in a short form (not only {melb}, but {mle}, {mle} t=
oo)</div>

<div>2. Lujvo are written by joining several gismu together using simple ch=
aracter. For now I suggest caret (^) but it might be changed.</div><div>e.g=
.=C2=A0</div><div>=E7=BE=8E^=E6=9B=B4 - mlemau<br></div><div>3.=C2=A0Person=
al=C2=A0names are written using jbopomofo or standard Chinese methods (usin=
g rare symbols with predefined sounding to represent certain sounds instead=
 of meaning)</div>

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