Received: from mail-tul01m020-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:42789) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S5Ksv-0006oV-PC; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:42:50 -0800 Received: by obbuo6 with SMTP id uo6sf7133178obb.16 for ; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:42:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=CT9+zxnEhWqyf3Cuwy9fo2Q5AQgJx9bDiaWirnYlke0=; b=1L1yhiq5pgWv+noww8xfD9RuFjR6NSuY4/+KMQrpuvlsXUMAphrtTmbuQuyRtf9JIe tXfnrIKLt65A0ev8kRiuB7mo/jJIWb4bb7dH08fSJFCuvcpcLgDsqbVCke2j7OLMKYGN 3+85HrPwSx3jBNaA6P4NlFNXRTdv9ZbTt0o2o= Received: by 10.224.58.75 with SMTP id f11mr474659qah.8.1331142156480; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:42:36 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.37.227 with SMTP id y35ls3743651qad.7.gmail; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:42:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.236.175.38 with SMTP id y26mr350561yhl.11.1331142155041; Wed, 07 Mar 2012 09:42:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by j8g2000yqm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:42:35 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:42:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201203060715.02774.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201203060715.02774.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <73a436ff-cb1c-49f5-beea-fc4a9c2fea5d@j8g2000yqm.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: bridi structure? From: "buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk" To: lojban X-Original-Sender: buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=buroq_mat@yahoo.co.uk; dkim=pass header.i=@yahoo.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / coi Although I was not skilled in the grammers of Arabic, but I could hear the teacher of words such as: A second object,The effect for him, Beginner, news, Absolute effect, the effect of him, maybe I do not remember there are other things may serve ... But if we get them for sitting bridi structure is the best , instead memorize all difinitions. co'o ki'esdi'es On 6 =D9=85=D8=A7=D8=B1=D8=B3, 04:15, Pierre Abbat wro= te: > On Tuesday, March 06, 2012 06:52:13 buroq_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > coi > > > bridi: subject cu verb object x3 x4 x5 vau > > > x1: the subject > > x2:the object > > x3: what? > > x4: what? > > x5: what? > > > Or what is the logic used by the scientist in the vocabulary > > definition of the dictionary ? > > Most English verbs have no more than three places, where x1 is the subjec= t, x2 > is the direct object, and x3 is the indirect object. At least one verb (n= amely > "bet") has a fourth place. If "to" is not used to mark the indirect objec= t, > the order is x1 verb x3 x2 x4. > > In the ergative alignment, x1 is the direct object, x2 is the subject, an= d x3 > is the indirect object. I don't know any ergative languages. > > Lojban lacks alignment. In a bridi with "dunda", x3 is the indirect objec= t, > but in a bridi with "grake", x3 isn't a subject, direct object, or indire= ct > object; it's the standard used to define the unit (currently a hunk of me= tal > stored in a suburb of Paris, hopefully soon a physical constant like the = rest > of them). Some categories of brivla have consistent place assignments; al= l > second places of words denoting kinds of plant, animal, or other living t= hing > denote a taxon to which the living thing belongs. Similarly all second pl= aces > of measuring words denote the numerical value. But there is no connection > between x2 of grake/mitre/delno and x2 of lanme/tirxu/finpe/xruba. > > Pierre > -- > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.