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Subject: [lojban] Biological taxonomy and other 'esoteric' vocabularies like
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I noticed under the words list that there are some very preliminary 
attempts to 'lojbanize' (or 'lojbanise' depending on where you are from) 
nomenclature systems like taxonomic names and chemical compounds (as in 
IUPAC).  How exactly does one approach discussing such topics in Lojban and 
at this point is there any consensus?  Are there proposed 'special systems' 
like there is for mathematics (I imagine there will have to be).

I assume these things will eventually have to be 'lojbanized' as the 
language grows (and theoretically/hopefully is used by more people in more 
situations) and although nomenclature systems like IUPAC are global 
standards names still very by language and orthography (honestly I don't 
really know exactly how chemical nomenclature works in non-English 
speaking countries; my understanding is that most countries now default to 
'English' nomenclature now, there is still a Spanish, Japanese, Chinese 
IUPAC equivalent).  'Technically' speaking, taxonomic nomenclature isn't 
even singularly regulated under one convention (I would use ITIS as a 
reference point if an attempt was ever made to lojbanize taxonomy).  

Anyway, IF there was a consensus that there is a need to discuss such 
things natively in lojban (rather than defaulting to English IUPAC or some 
form of Roman alphabet based linnaean taxonomy) something would have to 
change because non lojban characters, pronounciation, pairs etc. exist in 
these systems, so unless lojban speakers would use some sort of tag to say: 
"default to English IUPAC" or similar (which seems rather malglico to me), 
the system would have to change.

Idk, I am a junior undergraduate biology major so I don't even pretend to 
have some sort of truly esoteric understanding of such things, so I hope 
someone with more knowledge of both lojban and the natural sciences exists 
somewhere in the community that could answer this or at least discuss/share 
ideas about this.

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I noticed under the words list that there are some very preliminary attempt=
s to 'lojbanize' (or 'lojbanise' depending on where you are from) nomenclat=
ure systems like taxonomic names and chemical compounds (as in IUPAC). &nbs=
p;How exactly does one approach discussing such topics in Lojban and at thi=
s point is there any consensus? &nbsp;Are there proposed 'special systems' =
like there is for mathematics (I imagine there will have to be).<div><br></=
div><div>I assume these things will eventually have to be 'lojbanized' as t=
he language grows (and theoretically/hopefully is used by more people in mo=
re situations) and although nomenclature systems like IUPAC are global stan=
dards names still very by language and orthography (honestly I don't really=
 know exactly how chemical nomenclature works in non-English speaking&nbsp;=
countries; my understanding is that most countries now default to 'English'=
 nomenclature now, there is still a Spanish, Japanese, Chinese IUPAC equiva=
lent). &nbsp;'Technically' speaking, taxonomic nomenclature isn't even sing=
ularly regulated under one convention (I would use ITIS as a reference poin=
t if an&nbsp;attempt&nbsp;was ever made to lojbanize taxonomy). &nbsp;</div=
><div><br></div><div>Anyway, IF there was a&nbsp;consensus&nbsp;that there =
is a need to discuss such things natively in lojban (rather than defaulting=
 to English IUPAC or some form of Roman alphabet based linnaean taxonomy) s=
omething would have to change because non lojban characters, pronounciation=
, pairs etc. exist in these systems, so unless lojban speakers would use so=
me sort of tag to say: "default to English IUPAC" or similar (which seems r=
ather malglico to me), the system would have to change.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Idk, I am a junior undergraduate biology major so I don't even preten=
d to have some sort of&nbsp;truly&nbsp;esoteric understanding of such thing=
s, so I hope someone with more knowledge of both lojban and the natural sci=
ences exists somewhere in the community that could answer this or at least =
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