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[129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20si1500485bko.3.2012.03.08.01.50.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 08 Mar 2012 01:50:19 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:92e6:baff:fe68:dd1c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 196DA947B4 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:50:14 +0100 (CET) Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (arj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id q289oDYR017512 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:50:13 +0100 Received: (from arj@localhost) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q289oDhf017511 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:50:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:50:13 +0100 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Biological taxonomy and other 'esoteric' vocabularies like chemical nomenclature Message-ID: <20120308095013.GH24736@nvg.org> References: <13652222.419.1331146240191.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynes7> <201203071528.01767.phma@phma.optus.nu> <17229123.4939.1331160187554.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yncc26> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17229123.4939.1331160187554.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yncc26> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 02:43:07PM -0800, RexScientiarum wrote: >=20 > I HAD assumed that taxonomy, at least, would be treated in one of those t= wo=20 > ways (because, as you said, it is always treated as a foreign language,= =20 > hence why it is italicized in print or *supposed *to be underlined when= =20 > handwritten) but it looks as if other community members have already begu= n=20 > to lojbanize taxonomic names so I thought MAYBE there is some feeling tha= t=20 > there is a need to lojbanize biological classification for whatever reaso= n=20 > (which is why I ask, and I thought maybe there was some feeling that the= =20 > current Linnaean method based primarily on Latin and some Greek and writt= en=20 > in the Roman alphabet wasn't a universal, culturally/scientifically=20 > unbiased method. Idk, just trying to understand/rationalize why someone= =20 > thought there had to be a lojban name for eubacteria {fadjurme} and the= =20 > like). I think the idea is that a language needs ordinary terms for species (ie. w= ords like =93bullfinch=94, not words like =93Pyrrhula pyrrhula=94). In the = cases were a gismu is not adequate, a new word needs to be created, and the= word needs to come from somewhere. Often, the scientific name is an easily= available source to make a new word from. That doesn't mean that the new w= ord is a _translation_ or _corresponds with_ or _is used the same way as_ t= he Linnean binomial, just that it's based on that term, rather than a word = from some particular language. --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ P=E5 1300-tallet kom tersen. F=F8r og etter det var det meste bare rot, men s=E5 kom Sch=F6nberg og ordnet opp. Puh. Endelig litt system. S=E5 klarte A= rne Nordheim =E5 rote det til igjen. -- Under Dusken 08/2001 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.