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I totally agree, which is why I asked about this a couple of years ago.
When I found the exponential cmavo, it ceased to be a concern, since I
could always attach the magnitude to the bare digits.

stevo

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:

> This discussion about 11 and 12 is a diversion from the main subject.
>
> The main topic has to do with the way we represent numbers.
>
> Numbers can work either as a MNEMONIC (in which case, one-two-three is
> just the same kind of thing as A-B-C, foo-bar-foobar, or A-3-foobar)
> or as a QUANTITY
>
> The important thing with QUANTITY is that they are the compound of a
> NUMBER with a MAGNITUDE, that is, in two thousands, it's either 2000
> either 2 x (unit = a thousand).
>
> This has to do with what the French call "chiffres significatifs"
> (meaningful digits ?)
>
> In the number 2700, 2 and 7 are meaningful digits, but 7 is less
> meaningful than 2, because it imports some precision whereas 2
> indicates the big number.
>
> The 0s are not meaningful at all, as can be seen if we get another
> unit in base 10 : 2700 = 27 x 100 = 2,7 x 10^3, and so on.
>
> In the process of MEANING in a QUANTITY, it is mandatory to
> distinguish meaningful numbers from meaningless ones.   Speaking of
> 2300 as 2 thousands 3 hundreds carries the meaning that it is in fact
> 2 x 10^3 + 3 x 10^2, which does not exist in the lojbanic way of
> numerating...
>
> This is important, because 2000 + 1000 can be viewed either as 2000 +
> 1000 or as 2 thousands + 1 thousand, which is isomorphic to 2 apples +
> 1 apple
>
> QUANTITIES are the converse form of QUALITY, that is, 2100 come
> naturally with "apples" or "dollars" or "Newtons"...   And in the
> concept of Quality, the unit takes place, thus : "kilo-", "Mega-",
> "Giga-", "Tera-" which are just another way to say powers of tens.
>
> This is not required at all for MNEMONIC.  The name of a room, of a
> computer, of a login, or even of a year, is a mnemonic, and thus, can
> be registered through a simple sequence of digits, --- which
> QUANTITIES are not fit for.
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I totally agree, which is why I asked about this a couple of years ago. Whe=
n I found the exponential cmavo, it ceased to be a concern, since I could a=
lways attach the magnitude to the bare digits.=A0<div><br></div><div>stevo<=
br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Escape Lands=
ome <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com">escaaape@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D=
"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

This discussion about 11 and 12 is a diversion from the main subject.<br>
<br>
The main topic has to do with the way we represent numbers.<br>
<br>
Numbers can work either as a MNEMONIC (in which case, one-two-three is<br>
just the same kind of thing as A-B-C, foo-bar-foobar, or A-3-foobar)<br>
or as a QUANTITY<br>
<br>
The important thing with QUANTITY is that they are the compound of a<br>
NUMBER with a MAGNITUDE, that is, in two thousands, it&#39;s either 2000<br=
>
either 2 x (unit =3D a thousand).<br>
<br>
This has to do with what the French call &quot;chiffres significatifs&quot;=
<br>
(meaningful digits ?)<br>
<br>
In the number 2700, 2 and 7 are meaningful digits, but 7 is less<br>
meaningful than 2, because it imports some precision whereas 2<br>
indicates the big number.<br>
<br>
The 0s are not meaningful at all, as can be seen if we get another<br>
unit in base 10 : 2700 =3D 27 x 100 =3D 2,7 x 10^3, and so on.<br>
<br>
In the process of MEANING in a QUANTITY, it is mandatory to<br>
distinguish meaningful numbers from meaningless ones. =A0 Speaking of<br>
2300 as 2 thousands 3 hundreds carries the meaning that it is in fact<br>
2 x 10^3 + 3 x 10^2, which does not exist in the lojbanic way of<br>
numerating...<br>
<br>
This is important, because 2000 + 1000 can be viewed either as 2000 +<br>
1000 or as 2 thousands + 1 thousand, which is isomorphic to 2 apples +<br>
1 apple<br>
<br>
QUANTITIES are the converse form of QUALITY, that is, 2100 come<br>
naturally with &quot;apples&quot; or &quot;dollars&quot; or &quot;Newtons&q=
uot;... =A0 And in the<br>
concept of Quality, the unit takes place, thus : &quot;kilo-&quot;, &quot;M=
ega-&quot;,<br>
&quot;Giga-&quot;, &quot;Tera-&quot; which are just another way to say powe=
rs of tens.<br>
<br>
This is not required at all for MNEMONIC. =A0The name of a room, of a<br>
computer, of a login, or even of a year, is a mnemonic, and thus, can<br>
be registered through a simple sequence of digits, --- which<br>
QUANTITIES are not fit for.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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