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Subject: Re: [lojban] Biological taxonomy and other 'esoteric' vocabularies
 like  chemical nomenclature
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Right, I was thing about that and after I made the post and came to the=20
same conclusion, that the translations were in a general, non linnaean=20
sense.

On Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:50:13 AM UTC-6, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote:
>
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 02:43:07PM -0800, RexScientiarum wrote:
> >=20
> > I HAD assumed that taxonomy, at least, would be treated in one of those=
=20
> two=20
> > ways (because, as you said, it is always treated as a foreign language,=
=20
> > hence why it is italicized in print or *supposed *to be underlined when=
=20
> > handwritten) but it looks as if other community members have already=20
> begun=20
> > to lojbanize taxonomic names so I thought MAYBE there is some feeling=
=20
> that=20
> > there is a need to lojbanize biological classification for whatever=20
> reason=20
> > (which is why I ask, and I thought maybe there was some feeling that th=
e=20
> > current Linnaean method based primarily on Latin and some Greek and=20
> written=20
> > in the Roman alphabet wasn't a universal, culturally/scientifically=20
> > unbiased method. Idk, just trying to understand/rationalize why someone=
=20
> > thought there had to be a lojban name for eubacteria {fadjurme} and the=
=20
> > like).
>
> I think the idea is that a language needs ordinary terms for species (ie.=
=20
> words like =93bullfinch=94, not words like =93Pyrrhula pyrrhula=94). In t=
he cases=20
> were a gismu is not adequate, a new word needs to be created, and the wor=
d=20
> needs to come from somewhere. Often, the scientific name is an easily=20
> available source to make a new word from. That doesn't mean that the new=
=20
> word is a _translation_ or _corresponds with_ or _is used the same way as=
_=20
> the Linnean binomial, just that it's based on that term, rather than a wo=
rd=20
> from some particular language.
>
> --=20
> Arnt Richard Johansen                                http://arj.nvg.org/
> P=E5 1300-tallet kom tersen. F=F8r og etter det var det meste bare rot, m=
en
> s=E5 kom Sch=F6nberg og ordnet opp. Puh. Endelig litt system. S=E5 klarte=
 Arne
> Nordheim =E5 rote det til igjen.                   -- Under Dusken 08/200=
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Right, I was thing about that and after I made the post and came to the sam=
e conclusion, that the translations were in a general, non linnaean sense.<=
br><br>On Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:50:13 AM UTC-6, Arnt Richard Johansen w=
rote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8e=
x;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Wed, Mar 07, 2012 at 0=
2:43:07PM -0800, RexScientiarum wrote:<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I HAD assumed that =
taxonomy, at least, would be treated in one of those two <br>&gt; ways (bec=
ause, as you said, it is always treated as a foreign language, <br>&gt; hen=
ce why it is italicized in print or *supposed *to be underlined when <br>&g=
t; handwritten) but it looks as if other community members have already beg=
un <br>&gt; to lojbanize taxonomic names so I thought MAYBE there is some f=
eeling that <br>&gt; there is a need to lojbanize biological classification=
 for whatever reason <br>&gt; (which is why I ask, and I thought maybe ther=
e was some feeling that the <br>&gt; current Linnaean method based primaril=
y on Latin and some Greek and written <br>&gt; in the Roman alphabet wasn't=
 a universal, culturally/scientifically <br>&gt; unbiased method. Idk, just=
 trying to understand/rationalize why someone <br>&gt; thought there had to=
 be a lojban name for eubacteria {fadjurme} and the <br>&gt; like).<p>I thi=
nk the idea is that a language needs ordinary terms for species (ie. words =
like =93bullfinch=94, not words like =93Pyrrhula pyrrhula=94). In the cases=
 were a gismu is not adequate, a new word needs to be created, and the word=
 needs to come from somewhere. Often, the scientific name is an easily avai=
lable source to make a new word from. That doesn't mean that the new word i=
s a _translation_ or _corresponds with_ or _is used the same way as_ the Li=
nnean binomial, just that it's based on that term, rather than a word from =
some particular language.</p><p>-- <br>Arnt Richard Johansen &nbsp; &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp=
; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;<a href=3D"http://arj.nvg.org/" target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://arj.nvg.org/</a><br>P=E5 1300-tallet kom tersen. F=F8r og etter det var=
 det meste bare rot, men<br>s=E5 kom Sch=F6nberg og ordnet opp. Puh. Endeli=
g litt system. S=E5 klarte Arne<br>Nordheim =E5 rote det til igjen. &nbsp; =
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -- Under Dusken 08/=
2001<br></p><p></p></blockquote>

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