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On 9 March 2012 08:07, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

{xo'e} for some time now has been used as zo'e ze'ei pa, that i= s, "an unspecified number".

Am 09.03.2012 02:49, schrieb .arpis.:

Are you sure you meant {xo'e}?

za'a It's an experimental cmavo meaning the same thing as {lo}.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Jacob Errington<nictytan@gmail.com> =A0wrote:

Huh how coincidental, I was discussing footnotes and endnotes in #lojban just a few days ago.
It seems like there are many ways to do this, some of which use only
standard lojban, and a few others which require experimental cmavo. I'd=
strongly prefer to see the first variety be used, naturally.

1) Works only after a sumti. [ko'a nesa'a zo'e pe li xo'e],= where xo'e is
the number of the footnote/endnote. Replacing [zo'e] with something mor= e
precise would allow for disambiguation in that regard. For "footnote&q= uot; in
particular, I'd suggest [ko'a nesa'a lo papri fanmo notci pe li= xo'e]. The
use of [sa'a] is perhaps optional.

2) Works anywhere. Wrap the following in a to/to'i...toi: [e'u catl= u zo'e pe
li xo'e], where zo'e and xo'e are replaced as in the previous s= olution. This
solution is arguably less good than #1, as when using a to...toi, I don'= ;t
think that it's good practice to refer to the surrounding text. Of cour= se,
using to'i...toi is perhaps better.

3) Requires a new cmavo and works only after sumti. Let xi'i be a cmavo= of
XI, meaning "see footnote".

4) Requires a new cmavo and works everywhere. Let mai'a be a cmavo of M= AI,
meaning "see footnote".

5) Requires a new cmavo, uses nonstandard Lojban, and works everywhere. Let=
xi'i be a cmavo of XI and let XI equate to a free modifier.

These are the solutions that I can think of; there are certainly more. Also= ,
[xi'i] and [mai'a] are completely made up, they aren't in jvovl= aste or known
by any lojbanists, unless of course someone else has been using one or the<= br> other or both for some other purpose, in which case I apologise.

As for the text of the footnotes, there are many possibilities again. Each<= br> footnote could be individually wrapped in a TO...toi, or the full text of the footnotes could be wrapped in a single parenthetical remark. Also, one<= br> could also simply use [ni'o]...[no'i] for the text of the footnotes= . This
would be more inline with the solutions not involving wrapping the footnote=
number in a parenthetical remark, as I believe that it is bad to refer to the contents of a parenthetical remark from within the main text. (IIRC, th= e
CLL says not to do so as well.) I suggest using [mai] to mark the number being used for the following text until another [mai] is reached. If [mai]<= br> is already being used in the main text and confusion might result from usin= g
regular [mai], perhaps the footnotes could all be negative numbers, in orde= r
to ensure that there's no confusion between a reference to a footnote a= nd a
reference to another section. Also, if [mai] is being used in a situation where the text of a footnote contains a reference to a footnote, it would become impossible to use subscripting as suggested below. In that case, I would suggest using a zo'u-and-tu'e..tu'u system like so: {i lo= papri fanmo
notci pe li pa xi re zo'u tu'e i li'o tu'u}. Using [ni'= o] for each new
footnote might be a good idea as well, but this makes wrapping the whole footnote section in [ni'o]...[no'i] more confusing.

As for footnotes within footnotes, (footnoteception? :P ) it is possible to=
use subscripting to disambiguate, using any of the solutions mentioned
above, except the solutions involving [mai], as the number preceding [mai]<= br> cannot be subscripted. [mai] itself may not be subscripted either, unless the author adheres to XI-as-a-free-modifier (which is nonstandard Lojban).<= br>
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On 8 March 2012 19:34, Jonathan Jones<eyeonus@gmail.com> =A0wrote:

Hey! .skaryzgik. is back! Hoorah!

Regarding your question, I'm pretty sure we have header and footer cmav= o,
but I don't know what they are nor have the time currently to look them= up.
Hopefully .xorxes. or Pierre or Robin can provide better information on
that.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Marjorie Scherf<skaryzgik@gmail.com>
wrote:

coi rodo

So, I've been reading a lot of Terry Pratchett's Discworld series i= n the
last week or so, which, those if any of you who are familiar with these
books may be aware, are full of footnotes. A little asterisk at the end, or=
in the middle, of a sentence, corresponding to one at the bottom of the
page, which explains the thing immediately preceding the one above, or tell= s
some related story. Sometimes even the footnotes have footnotes. And, since=
these books are also reminding me of several things I want to use lojban for, the various strands of thought tangled together and I wondered how
lojban would accomplish something similar. Would we merely use
parentheticals, or would something else be more appropriate?

mu'omi'e la .jdakrat.skaryzgik.

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