mi facki lo du'u do jbocre [kei do]

mi facki lo du'u lo mi cukta cu zvati makau [kei lo mi cukta]

mi co'a djuno lo du'u do jbocre [kei do]

mi co= 9;a djuno lo du'u lo mi cukta cu zvati makau [kei lo mi cukta]

mi cilre lo du'u do jbocre [kei do la irk lo nu mi'o casnu bau= lo lojbo]

do ctuca mi lo du'u do jbocre [kei do lo nu mio ca= snu bau lo lojbo]

Now, it seems like the differenc= e between {cilre} and {ctuca} is volition on the part of ctuca1/cilre4.

Here's my lojban definition of what {ctuca} means:

lo ka= ce'u goi ko'a ctuca ce'u goi ko'e ce'u goi ko'i ce= 'u goi ko'o ce'u goi ko'u cu ka ce'u goi ko'a zukte= ce'u goi ko'u lo nu ce'u goi ko'e cilre ce'u goi ko= 9;i ce'u goi ko'o ko'u

IMHO determining the location of an object is more akin= to losing that object than "beginning to know something". Thus {= cirko} and {to'e cirko}/{tolcri} are more appropriate.

mi cirko tu'a lo mi cukta

mi tolcri tu'a lo mi= cukta

(I'm working under the anal-retentive a= ssumption that cirko is "lose property" and tolcri is "acqui= re property" (hence the sumti-raising), in which case in a bare-bones = lojban, {tolcri} is equivalent to {binxo})

mu'o mi'e la tsani

2012/3/9 Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>

Dnia pi=C4=85tek, 9 marca 2012 o 19:11:45 MorphemeAddict napisa=C5=82(a):
> =C2=A0What about this definition of "facki"= ; is more than one meaning?
>
> x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about subject/object x3; x1 finds= (fi) x3 (object)
>
> It looks to me like several English phrases used to clarify the one me= aning.

Aren't:

x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about subject/object x3
x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)

two different definitions of two different concepts? To me it borders= on malglico ;)
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