Received: from mail-pz0-f56.google.com ([209.85.210.56]:62582) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S6Jcz-0001dP-2G; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:34:25 -0800 Received: by dano9 with SMTP id o9sf2604832dan.1 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:34:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:subject:mime-version :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=+a1TVgN/U4NB9TXr5bk/0clZdeQJAaH753GAbEQQtk4=; b=s3hUJqiyVaTzypiOR3Gn7yNtXDq8oJr7yXo0hgvBdq3DFNjZ0eVM1gBUdNAMAZcCch UW7FvpbJ/t+YxUSEJEvDniPe5W04TmQ5/NWhC9rJF+tTaVYpei8Jeyc3L57fCIS3FwI1 wP9Xr3Fs/TCTXh2mil0tZLr6N8+wVuVq0LWWY= Received: by 10.68.240.6 with SMTP id vw6mr1474897pbc.18.1331374876471; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:21:16 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.74.5 with SMTP id p5ls4489686pbv.7.gmail; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:21:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.130.68 with SMTP id oc4mr1492193pbb.11.1331374874990; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:21:14 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:21:14 -0800 (PST) From: cntrational To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <3325018.1470.1331374874547.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbctz2> Subject: [lojban] Nasal assimilation MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: cntrational@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cntrational@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1469_12240468.1331374874547" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_1469_12240468.1331374874547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In most languages, when nasals come before stops, they generally assimilate= =20 to the stop. So, we don't say "inpossble", we say "impossble" -- /np/ is a= =20 cluster that's rare in most languages; it's usually changed to /mp/.=20 Similarly for /mt/ =E2=86=92 /nt/ and /mk/ =E2=86=92 /=C5=8Bk/. Which makes= it really weird that=20 Lojban *does* allow clusters like /np/. What's up with that? Seems like a= =20 pretty glaring omission in the Lojban phonotactic rules, especially=20 considering how common nasal assimilation is in the world. mi'e cntr --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/JezS_n1pzJcJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. ------=_Part_1469_12240468.1331374874547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In most languages, when nasals come before stops, they generally assimilate= to the stop. So, we don't say "inpossble", we say "impossble" -- /np/ is a= cluster that's rare in most languages; it's usually changed to /mp/. Simil= arly for /mt/ =E2=86=92 /nt/ and /mk/ =E2=86=92 /=C5=8Bk/. Which makes it r= eally weird that Lojban *does* allow clusters like /np/. What's up with tha= t? Seems like a pretty glaring omission in the Lojban phonotactic rules, es= pecially considering how common nasal assimilation is in the world.

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