Received: from mail-fa0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]:50564) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S6KKr-0001rT-Ue; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:46 -0800 Received: by fabs1 with SMTP id s1sf2690897fab.16 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=OuhQsin/7wmywTZ1iG+QIDflAAZci4/t4beXARoyMBI=; b=i+jxWsAD8Cfd8DkHBrFTlKQOsNloaEjSz5L0YsG8RkxrWNuPbKMDw8TXk80jsB50sm 4PHKLfgBotz0eWF/xwmVrE9L2fuYYDDth10NrkKQ3NYnB9IKDM3zzzA0WjXhgNdG9gXc gMXCg4wdP65p6pBzQnbovvQ4gas5hflZRSZVk= Received: by 10.205.134.17 with SMTP id ia17mr458668bkc.23.1331378369882; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:29 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.142.4 with SMTP id jg4ls3275752bkc.6.gmail; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.129.15 with SMTP id m15mr422870bks.2.1331378368303; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.129.15 with SMTP id m15mr422869bks.2.1331378368290; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs9si2135211bkb.3.2012.03.10.03.19.28 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:28 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.48; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com with SMTP id u2so2501419lag.7 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.113.136 with SMTP id iy8mr3991014lab.50.1331378367942; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.38.33 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:19:27 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <3325018.1470.1331374874547.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbctz2> References: <3325018.1470.1331374874547.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbctz2> Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:19:27 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Nasal assimilation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 7:21 AM, cntrational wrote: > In most languages, when nasals come before stops, they generally assimila= te > to the stop. So, we don't say "inpossble", we say "impossble" -- /np/ is = a > cluster that's rare in most languages; it's usually changed to /mp/. > Similarly for /mt/ =E2=86=92 /nt/ and /mk/ =E2=86=92 /=C5=8Bk/. Which mak= es it really weird that > Lojban *does* allow clusters like /np/. What's up with that? Seems like a > pretty glaring omission in the Lojban phonotactic rules, especially > considering how common nasal assimilation is in the world. In English such assimilations don't really happen (cf. "input", "gumtree", "camcorder"). "Impossible" came into English with the assimilation already there. The designers of Lojban were English speakers, not linguists, so Lojban has a strong bias towards English phonotactics, not towards what's common in the world. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.