Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:42065) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S6TuX-0006X6-4x; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:33:15 -0800 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf2420541wib.16 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:33:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mvefjYODk8j6S/4MnNJQqs5NQaXfJ59LdmuXkaiFM+Q=; b=EELeadtJCbIg2iCxiK1A2xVtnbbSswFdK+x0HjRBwQl7T3U5naogdRTbOp1B2HKT1B /OiwyuGRa5mDsNd7sH724Fr/dGwn/VuQrpGn0xm8BSGE8Ol/2/Imxh6IjDiRwKlABsec eFluBQFEihoYLI1DWJuNsfv3JEQCcSp5Pb2tw= Received: by 10.180.20.108 with SMTP id m12mr1728010wie.1.1331415177833; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:57 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.192.230 with SMTP id i80ls11094970wen.5.gmail; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.100.103 with SMTP id ex7mr1145293wib.0.1331415176330; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.100.103 with SMTP id ex7mr1145292wib.0.1331415176320; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p3si3523703wip.3.2012.03.10.13.32.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.174; Received: by wibhr17 with SMTP id hr17so1713701wib.9 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.180.87.8 with SMTP id t8mr14819963wiz.15.1331415176190; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.103.101 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:32:16 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20394136.112.1331024477793.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcu2> References: <20394136.112.1331024477793.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcu2> From: Sid Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 03:02:16 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_A_suggestion_for_new_h=E0nz=EC=2Dbase_writi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ng_system?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cntrational@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cntrational@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cntrational@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / Um. Given that pinyin is taught from childhood, and that the Latin script is near ubiquitous on the internet and computers in general, I really doubt Chinese people have any problem with the Latin script. It's more likely that people have stopped using Esperanto because there are tons of better, more interesting, languages to learn (like Lojban). mi'e cntr On 6 March 2012 14:31, gleki wrote: > The number of Esperanto speakers has dropped in China considerably in the > last decades. > Esperanto leaders say it's all because it's hard for native Chinese speak= ers > to learn Latin alphabet and understand that each symbol doesn't represent > any semantic element but rather just a (usually) meaningless sound. > > That's why I'm happy that Lojban doesn't have any official writing system= . > > Here is a draft of h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC (Chinese symbol)-based Lojbanic writin= g method. > > 1. Every gismu and it's corresponding rafsi are represented using one sym= bol > usually taken from=C2=A0h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC table. > e.g. {melbi} is =E7=BE=8E =C2=A0(pronounced as melbi, but in the original= Chinese script > it's mei3 that means "beautiful") > =E6=9B=B4 - zmadu (in hanzi it means "more" or "to change") > 1a. Rafsi are written with exactly the same symbols but may be pronounced= in > a short form (not only {melb}, but {mle}, {mle} too) > 2. Lujvo are written by joining several gismu together using simple > character. For now I suggest caret (^) but it might be changed. > e.g. > =E7=BE=8E^=E6=9B=B4 - mlemau > 3.=C2=A0Personal=C2=A0names are written using jbopomofo or standard Chine= se methods > (using rare symbols with predefined sounding to represent certain sounds > instead of meaning) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/1h6HqOkYNf8J. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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