Received: from mail-iy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.210.189]:49145) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S6cZP-0000Li-0V; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:48:00 -0800 Received: by iahk25 with SMTP id k25sf4379497iah.16 for ; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:47:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=eeLd0IL1Xt5qxQHtUc8fc16W01Ji2JOBAOkODQMD2+w=; b=b9WiPhi1kv7jyeEGGSvx/AS5SJ9jE2H5hwDjghMDzZg7wVDtORc3hBideXmQQhg+5P uIUtStkEdk3T5P2gIZeX2AT32T2YNmcfBcXNtGTcN0d66QG2Dad7S4vinUUYApIYlSFX p+J0Pbpw1uRLZHwqgJ4CVIn9R3SYf94Z0zyMA= Received: by 10.52.100.167 with SMTP id ez7mr986283vdb.13.1331448464909; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:47:44 -0800 (PST) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.3.135 with SMTP id 7ls5748979vcn.8.gmail; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:47:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.52.89.235 with SMTP id br11mr986795vdb.9.1331448463388; Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:47:43 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 22:47:42 -0800 (PST) From: gleki To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <28796569.3317.1331448462813.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbgx21> In-Reply-To: References: <20394136.112.1331024477793.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcu2> Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_=5Blojban=5D_A_suggestion_for_new_h=E0nz=EC=2Dbase_writi?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?ng_system?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3316_27267309.1331448462811" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_3316_27267309.1331448462811 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually you are probably right. Here is=20 the link. I can't explain why Yu Tao told only about pictographical system as the=20 only stumbling block for spreading of Esperanto in China. On Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:32:16 AM UTC+4, cntrational wrote: > > Um. Given that pinyin is taught from childhood, and that the Latin > script is near ubiquitous on the internet and computers in general, I > really doubt Chinese people have any problem with the Latin script. > > It's more likely that people have stopped using Esperanto because > there are tons of better, more interesting, languages to learn (like > Lojban). > > mi'e cntr > > On 6 March 2012 14:31, gleki wrote: > > The number of Esperanto speakers has dropped in China considerably in t= he > > last decades. > > Esperanto leaders say it's all because it's hard for native Chinese=20 > speakers > > to learn Latin alphabet and understand that each symbol doesn't represe= nt > > any semantic element but rather just a (usually) meaningless sound. > > > > That's why I'm happy that Lojban doesn't have any official writing=20 > system. > > > > Here is a draft of h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC (Chinese symbol)-based Lojbanic writ= ing method. > > > > 1. Every gismu and it's corresponding rafsi are represented using one= =20 > symbol > > usually taken from h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC table. > > e.g. {melbi} is =E7=BE=8E (pronounced as melbi, but in the original Ch= inese=20 > script > > it's mei3 that means "beautiful") > > =E6=9B=B4 - zmadu (in hanzi it means "more" or "to change") > > 1a. Rafsi are written with exactly the same symbols but may be=20 > pronounced in > > a short form (not only {melb}, but {mle}, {mle} too) > > 2. Lujvo are written by joining several gismu together using simple > > character. For now I suggest caret (^) but it might be changed. > > e.g. > > =E7=BE=8E^=E6=9B=B4 - mlemau > > 3. Personal names are written using jbopomofo or standard Chinese metho= ds > > (using rare symbols with predefined sounding to represent certain sound= s > > instead of meaning) > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/1h6HqOkYNf8J. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lo= jban/-/tYAHDgCXFvgJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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I can'= t explain why Yu Tao told only about pictographical system as the only stum= bling block for spreading of Esperanto in China.
<= br>On Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:32:16 AM UTC+4, cntrational wrote:Um. Given that pinyin is taught from chi= ldhood, and that the Latin
script is near ubiquitous on the internet and= computers in general, I
really doubt Chinese people have any problem wi= th the Latin script.

It's more likely that people have stopped using Espe= ranto because
there are tons of better, more interesting, languages to l= earn (like
Lojban).

mi'e cntr

On 6 March 2012 14:31, gleki &= lt;gleki.is= .my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
> The number of Esperanto speakers = has dropped in China considerably in the
> last decades.
> Espe= ranto leaders say it's all because it's hard for native Chinese speakers> to learn Latin alphabet and understand that each symbol doesn't repre= sent
> any semantic element but rather just a (usually) meaningless s= ound.
>
> That's why I'm happy that Lojban doesn't have any off= icial writing system.
>
> Here is a draft of h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC (C= hinese symbol)-based Lojbanic writing method.
>
> 1. Every gism= u and it's corresponding rafsi are represented using one symbol
> usu= ally taken from h=C3=A0nz=C3=AC table.
> e.g. {melbi} is =E7=BE= =8E  (pronounced as melbi, but in the original Chinese script
> = it's mei3 that means "beautiful")
> =E6=9B=B4 - zmadu (in hanzi it me= ans "more" or "to change")
> 1a. Rafsi are written with exactly the s= ame symbols but may be pronounced in
> a short form (not only {melb},= but {mle}, {mle} too)
> 2. Lujvo are written by joining several gism= u together using simple
> character. For now I suggest caret (^) but = it might be changed.
> e.g.
> =E7=BE=8E^=E6=9B=B4 - mlemau
&= gt; 3. Personal names are written using jbopomofo or standard Chi= nese methods
> (using rare symbols with predefined sounding to repres= ent certain sounds
> instead of meaning)
>
> --
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