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Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas, On 10/03/2012 11:19:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 7:21 AM, cntrational<cntrational@gmail.com>  wrot=
e:
>> In most languages, when nasals come before stops, they generally assimil=
ate
>> to the stop. So, we don't say "inpossble", we say "impossble" -- /np/ is=
 a
>> cluster that's rare in most languages; it's usually changed to /mp/.
>> Similarly for /mt/ =E2=86=92 /nt/ and /mk/ =E2=86=92 /=C5=8Bk/. Which ma=
kes it really weird that
>> Lojban *does* allow clusters like /np/. What's up with that? Seems like =
a
>> pretty glaring omission in the Lojban phonotactic rules, especially
>> considering how common nasal assimilation is in the world.
>
> In English such assimilations don't really happen (cf. "input",
> "gumtree", "camcorder"). "Impossible" came into English with the
> assimilation already there. The designers of Lojban were English
> speakers, not linguists, so Lojban has a strong bias towards English
> phonotactics, not towards what's common in the world.

English place assimilation is very active, but (i) it targets /n, d, t/, (i=
i) it's leftwards, (iii) it's mostly optional (a lazy way of saying that in=
 certain environments it's optional and in certain environments it's obliga=
tory).

It's true that the designers of Lojban knew little linguistics, but quite a=
 few aspects of Lojban phonotactics are weird for English too.

--And.

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