Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:45795) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S76Rr-0004yn-R3; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:42:08 -0700 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf5089356wer.16 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:42:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=imrFIxJCwAsavn33THVZp2dVR55VtsluDr45IEENUBY=; b=dSmeH1FgNg88+NPI3k9VHf1sT0dfdMgvqXx9VsrQq9xHdP5xlf/dfMlsrkzYSJoa5B nEKHwOoLlvmn2cAYO7FeU1YQYo1ZlViI6PM/0XC0RBi5VwKia+6wXwi8ddcThAh/afuv jJDTHZxPdnwzg83gCCIgyccc1ofTyribkXAcI= Received: by 10.204.132.88 with SMTP id a24mr1123842bkt.1.1331563316326; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls8851996bkb.0.gmail; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr909795bkc.5.1331563315106; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr909794bkc.5.1331563315092; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f51.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f51.google.com [209.85.215.51]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si17864697bkb.2.2012.03.12.07.41.54 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.51 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.51; Received: by laap9 with SMTP id p9so4842342laa.24 for ; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.229 with SMTP id s5mr4662143lbz.0.1331563314725; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.38.33 with HTTP; Mon, 12 Mar 2012 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:41:54 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] footnotes, etc? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.51 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:06 AM, Marjorie Scherf wrote: > I remember one of the big deal ones being that for a > given speech stream, there is one spelling for it, and vice versa. That has never been true though. For example, the two valid but very different spellings: "coi djan i mi klama le zarci" and "coi.djan.imiKLAmaleZARci" correspond to the same speech stream. And similarly the spelling "coi djan i mi klama le zarci" can be pronounced with several equivalent but valid and different speech streams. So there is no audiovisual isomorphism. That has always been a misnomer. What we do have is that all the valid different pronounciations for a given spelling have the same meaning, and all the valid different spellings for a given speech stream have the same meaning. But that is not an isomorphism. I wish people stopped calling it that. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.