Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:42154) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S7jnM-0001FQ-TM; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:43:00 -0700 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf1425537eek.16 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=YfqJzuNapjWVe0BsRjP4UPomjKM9E1sCiav3A68LFLY=; b=X40G14dLNzJcfAKPerser81cv+RHAYSypYzQXOIYEpLmOJbfo6NZb5ZMCyBVtZt4ar lraCG7FDWhVlJVdmjNVsEQLCKaXxmDVUGpCIX/SFf1LMz8G/Po9J1G/Id1IwQFxuBFFj NX8ddjHeSyochdkUDSfnsm4DVoyo2vDB+HXqY= Received: by 10.216.24.196 with SMTP id x46mr80190wex.17.1331714563978; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.14.231 with SMTP id s7ls12089872wic.2.canary; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.100.103 with SMTP id ex7mr317377wib.0.1331714562729; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.100.103 with SMTP id ex7mr317376wib.0.1331714562719; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f177.google.com (mail-wi0-f177.google.com [209.85.212.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ga1si10278551wib.2.2012.03.14.01.42.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.177; Received: by wibhj13 with SMTP id hj13so1645752wib.0 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.95.34 with SMTP id dh2mr4168327wib.15.1331714562662; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.212 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:42:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:42:42 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Playing with Tanru and Fu'ivla... "Philips screwdriver" From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / coi rodo, I am currently playing with the idea of tanru and fu'ivla. Would you say a "Philips screwdriver" is kucylupcartci ? Another question : a tanru mixes two notions X and Y in a (X & Y) (which is, indeed, primarily a Y which has X-ness) But suppose I want to speak of a (X & Y & Z)... ? *not* of a (X & (Y & Z)), nor of a ((X & Y) & Z), but of a (X & Y & Z), without assigning any precedence in the way the notions are mingling together ? Put in another words, suppose I want to talk about a pretty little girls' school while remaining deliberately ambiguous ? [this can be useful even without any malign intention : there are a lot of old books with ambiguous X's Y's Z constructs, and if we want to translate them into Lojban we need to keep the ambiguity as it is] -- .esk. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.