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I'd guess that you could explicitly put {je} between them. It would still
group together into pairs, but logical AND is associative.

mu'o mi'e ros

On 14 March 2012 19:42, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi rodo,
>
> I am currently playing with the idea of tanru and fu'ivla.
>
> Would you say a "Philips screwdriver" is kucylupcartci ?
>
> Another question : a tanru mixes two notions X and Y in a (X & Y)
> (which is, indeed, primarily a Y which has X-ness)
>
> But suppose I want to speak of a (X & Y & Z)... ?   *not* of a (X & (Y
> & Z)), nor of a ((X & Y) & Z), but of a (X & Y & Z), without assigning
> any precedence in the way the notions are mingling together ?
>
> Put in another words, suppose I want to talk about a pretty little
> girls' school while remaining deliberately ambiguous ?
>
> [this can be useful even without any malign intention : there are a
> lot of old books with ambiguous X's Y's Z constructs, and if we want
> to translate them into Lojban we need to keep the ambiguity as it is]
>
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I&#39;d guess that you could explicitly put {je} between them. It would sti=
ll group together into pairs, but logical AND is associative.<br><br>mu&#39=
;o mi&#39;e ros<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 14 March 2012 19:42, E=
scape Landsome <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com">=
escaaape@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">coi rodo,<br>
<br>
I am currently playing with the idea of tanru and fu&#39;ivla.<br>
<br>
Would you say a &quot;Philips screwdriver&quot; is kucylupcartci ?<br>
<br>
Another question : a tanru mixes two notions X and Y in a (X &amp; Y)<br>
(which is, indeed, primarily a Y which has X-ness)<br>
<br>
But suppose I want to speak of a (X &amp; Y &amp; Z)... ? =A0 *not* of a (X=
 &amp; (Y<br>
&amp; Z)), nor of a ((X &amp; Y) &amp; Z), but of a (X &amp; Y &amp; Z), wi=
thout assigning<br>
any precedence in the way the notions are mingling together ?<br>
<br>
Put in another words, suppose I want to talk about a pretty little<br>
girls&#39; school while remaining deliberately ambiguous ?<br>
<br>
[this can be useful even without any malign intention : there are a<br>
lot of old books with ambiguous X&#39;s Y&#39;s Z constructs, and if we wan=
t<br>
to translate them into Lojban we need to keep the ambiguity as it is]<br>
<br>
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