Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:33224) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S7nLb-0003iT-Tz; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:37 -0700 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf1868351wib.16 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/eFh66Vfz6bXF8ef1++AMxWOPbYHL7x3w7DPMKInPzI=; b=jqLwcW49HB7fp7skoZC5iHK7DtK1YwXDy6VY2nPzrtwRsdsxp7CPBNFBGewPd/ygV1 h+3VJ9cau22qljYaJMJ97T5e+AVxT1zprwQYYz81mPdxDTcS/wxf3YI4gpJTlWK2YQeN Q915rsjM+OZZqd2bSzQ+gN47h7LcGDNfRco9o= Received: by 10.204.149.212 with SMTP id u20mr169070bkv.24.1331728209927; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:09 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.143.211 with SMTP id w19ls2314852bku.9.gmail; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr235972bkw.7.1331728208242; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr235971bkw.7.1331728208225; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f43.google.com (mail-bk0-f43.google.com [209.85.214.43]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si4381900bkz.0.2012.03.14.05.30.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.43; Received: by mail-bk0-f43.google.com with SMTP id j5so2382342bkw.16 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.130.150 with SMTP id t22mr906473bks.1.1331728208111; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.119.4 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:30:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201203140308.04803.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201203050238.39651.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201203140308.04803.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:30:08 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Defining an ethnos in Lojban From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.43 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 3:08 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:22:22 Michael Turniansky wrote: >> =A0 =A0It works for me, but why not a more simple "ko'a berstici kartuli >> se kai ko'e"? > > *A non-Mingrelian Georgian may be living in Mingrelia, and a Mingrelian m= ay be > living in southeast Georgia. > *Mingrelians, as a people, are a subset of Georgians, but the Mingrelian > language is a distinct related language. > *"se kai ko'e" doesn't necessarily imply that ko'e is of a type that can = fit > into x2 of kartuli (or margaluri or fraso autc.), and since you didn't sa= y > "ko'a berstici kartuli ko'e", gricely implies that it could be something = that > doesn't. > > I used "le berstici kartuli" to imply that I had a particular kartuli in = mind, > namely the Mingrelian people, who are kartuli lo ka natmi kei jenai lo ka > bangu. Yes, but a non-Mingrelian Georgian living in Mingrelia is Mingrelian in the aspect of living there, no? lo natmi jo'u kulnu jo'u bangu valsi so'aroi vasru lo remoi be le'i terbri be'o poi norsatci .i xu na go'i --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.