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> I would say that {kucylupcartci} is a lujvo that I, knowing that there
> is an important distinction between phillips and flathead
> screwdrivers, might interpret correctly. If I wanted to say it, I'd
> probably go with a tanru: {kruca lupcartci} or {me la .filips.
> lupcartci}

But "Philips" screwdriver is an english-speaking way to call this kind of tool.

In France, it is "cruciforme" screwdriver, that is : "in the shape of a cross".

Thus, the way we lojbanize it, it is not culturally neutral *at all*

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