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I recognize that {me la .filips.} isn't neutral. On the other hand,
{kurca lupcartci}, I would argue, is neutral, in that someone, who had
never seen or heard of a phillips screwdriver in any language, would
be likely to describe it as such (to differentiate it from a flathead
or a torx).

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would say that {kucylupcartci} is a lujvo that I, knowing that there
>> is an important distinction between phillips and flathead
>> screwdrivers, might interpret correctly. If I wanted to say it, I'd
>> probably go with a tanru: {kruca lupcartci} or {me la .filips.
>> lupcartci}
>
> But "Philips" screwdriver is an english-speaking way to call this kind of tool.
>
> In France, it is "cruciforme" screwdriver, that is : "in the shape of a cross".
>
> Thus, the way we lojbanize it, it is not culturally neutral *at all*
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