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Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths)
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  Weirdly, I already use the the Major system (although I've always
referred to it as Harry Lorayne's system, since that's where I first
read of it 35+ years ago, and have used it in English all these years)
in lojban, but just for inconsequential things.  For example, my
address is "ro datni"  I also noted with some amusement that many
digits can transform into other lojban digits.  For example, want to
remember "2946837090"?  Why, simply remember the lojban phrase "no pa
re ci vo mu xa ze bi so" ;-)

   (Incidentally, my 8yo's 4th grade class (Jewish day school) was
also taught this system for memorizing what was the main part of each
chapter of Genesis)

                                    --gejyspa

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for
> thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That's
> okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at expressing
> quantity at scale.
>
> ba zu ju'o cu'i I would like to practice using lojban numbers for a
> memory system (inspired by
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system) and practice
> using them for arithmetic.
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem harder =
to
>> use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in the ar=
my
>> (too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training exercise=
s
>> saying "one five" for 15. I found it irritating.
>> What do the accomplished speakers here think?
>>
>> stevo
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wro=
te:
>>>
>>> This is a good question.
>>>
>>> I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say "132". =A0 It may be
>>> good for a computer, which "understands" the things in a syntactic
>>> way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way
>>> which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units", (even if tens
>>> is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there's the positional
>>> meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in the language.
>>>
>>> People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along
>>> syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ?
>>>
>>> 2012/3/2, M.Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>:
>>> > Would this work?
>>> > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathematics since age 3=
 in
>>> > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too-many syllables'=
 as
>>> > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English.
>>> > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is 'wa?id' | 'Two' is
>>> > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' and so on.
>>> > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've grown to use it=
s
>>> > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying
>>> > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words should
>>> > make
>>> > up for this, thus:
>>> > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re' instead of
>>> > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial for my mental
>>> > calculations?
>>> > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical
>>> > thinking?
>>> > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally science-part)=
 of
>>> > Lojban?
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