On Thu, Mar= 15, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:

=A0Weirdly, I already use the the Major system (although I've always referred to it as Harry Lorayne's system, since that's where I firs= t
read of it 35+ years ago, and have used it in English all these years)
in lojban, but just for inconsequential things. =A0For example, my
address is "ro datni" =A0I also noted with some amusement that ma= ny
digits can transform into other lojban digits. =A0For example, want to
remember "2946837090"? =A0Why, simply remember the lojban phrase = "no pa
re ci vo mu xa ze bi so" ;-)

=A0 (Incidentally, my 8yo's 4th grade class (Jewish day school) was also taught this system for memorizing what was the main part of each
chapter of Genesis)

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--g= ejyspa

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM, .arpis. <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com> wrote:
> From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for=
> thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That&= #39;s
> okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at expressing
> quantity at scale.
>
> ba zu ju'o cu'i I would like to practice using lojban numbers = for a
> memory system (inspired by
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system) and pr= actice
> using them for arithmetic.
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem h= arder to
>> use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in = the army
>> (too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training ex= ercises
>> saying "one five" for 15. I found it irritating.
>> What do the accomplished speakers here think?
>>
>> stevo
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is a good question.
>>>
>>> I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say &q= uot;132". =A0 It may be
>>> good for a computer, which "understands" the things = in a syntactic
>>> way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic= way
>>> which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units&quo= t;, (even if tens
>>> is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there&= #39;s the positional
>>> meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in th= e language.
>>>
>>> People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only alon= g
>>> syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ?
>>>
>>> 2012/3/2, M.Nael <muhammad.nael@gmail.com>:
>>> > Would this work?
>>> > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathema= tics since age 3 in
>>> > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too= -many syllables' as
>>> > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English.
>>> > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is = 'wa?id' | 'Two' is
>>> > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' a= nd so on.
>>> > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've= grown to use its
>>> > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself = saying
>>> > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban numb= er-words should
>>> > make
>>> > up for this, thus:
>>> > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re= ' instead of
>>> > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial fo= r my mental
>>> > calculations?
>>> > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathem= atical
>>> > thinking?
>>> > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally s= cience-part) of
>>> > Lojban?
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