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andor, i.e. or



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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic"
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What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or about'. Goog=
ling didn't help.=A0

stevo


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can never unde=
rstand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Arabic would e=
ven give better English, and that's saying something.
>
>
>
>On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <muhammad.nael@gmail=
.com> wrote:
>
>Buroq usually=A0omitted=A0the 'be' copula in many places where in Arabic a=
 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with adjectives, placem=
ent and presence of the/a, etc... I=A0basically=A0took the meanings of his =
words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar he used... I e=
nded up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added some bits of =
my own after translation...=20
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>mu'o mi'e .aionys.
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>.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>andor, i.e=
. or</span></div><div><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: times new roma=
n, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr">=
 <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-w=
eight:bold;">From:</span></b> MorphemeAddict &lt;lytlesw@gmail.com&gt;<br> =
<b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lojban@googlegroups.co=
m <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, Mar=
ch 15, 2012 5:21 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Subject:</spa=
n></b> Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic"<br> </f=
ont> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv1095686543">What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems t=
o mean 'in or about'. Googling didn't help.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>stevo<=
br><br><div class=3D"yiv1095686543gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45=
 PM, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"ma=
ilto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com"=
>eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"yiv1095686543gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I really wish buroq would just=
 stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can never understand his English. I'm bettin=
g Google Translate used on his Arabic would even give better English, and t=
hat's saying something.<div class=3D"yiv1095686543HOEnZb">

<div class=3D"yiv1095686543h5"><br><br><div class=3D"yiv1095686543gmail_quo=
te">
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:muhammad.nael@gmail.com" target=3D"_=
blank" href=3D"mailto:muhammad.nael@gmail.com">muhammad.nael@gmail.com</a>&=
gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv1095686543gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">


<div dir=3D"ltr">Buroq usually&nbsp;omitted&nbsp;the 'be' copula in many pl=
aces where in Arabic a 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true w=
ith adjectives, placement and presence of the/a, etc... I&nbsp;basically&nb=
sp;took the meanings of his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the synta=
x and grammar he used... I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic pie=
ce and I added some bits of my own after translation...
<div><br></div><font color=3D"#888888"><div>MN</div></font></div><div><div>=
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