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Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:20:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Using Lojban in 'very' defined contexts (eg. maths) From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Read the link that arpis provided ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system ) for enlightenment. --gejyspa On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > How is 2946837090 0123456789? > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 2:08 PM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >> =A0Weirdly, I already use the the Major system (although I've always >> referred to it as Harry Lorayne's system, since that's where I first >> read of it 35+ years ago, and have used it in English all these years) >> in lojban, but just for inconsequential things. =A0For example, my >> address is "ro datni" =A0I also noted with some amusement that many >> digits can transform into other lojban digits. =A0For example, want to >> remember "2946837090"? =A0Why, simply remember the lojban phrase "no pa >> re ci vo mu xa ze bi so" ;-) >> >> =A0 (Incidentally, my 8yo's 4th grade class (Jewish day school) was >> also taught this system for memorizing what was the main part of each >> chapter of Genesis) >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-= -gejyspa >> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:44 AM, .arpis. >> wrote: >> > From my meager experience, the lojban system is nicer than English for >> > thinking of _numbers_, as long as _quantity_ doesn't matter. That's >> > okay, though, because any digit based system is poor at expressing >> > quantity at scale. >> > >> > ba zu ju'o cu'i I would like to practice using lojban numbers for a >> > memory system (inspired by >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system) and practice >> > using them for arithmetic. >> > >> > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 9:46 AM, MorphemeAddict >> > wrote: >> >> This has sort of come up before. I agree that bare numerals seem hard= er >> >> to >> >> use than numbers that mark the value at each place. When I was in the >> >> army >> >> (too few years ago) a man once directed us in physical training >> >> exercises >> >> saying "one five" for 15. I found it irritating. >> >> What do the accomplished speakers here think? >> >> >> >> stevo >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Escape Landsome >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> This is a good question. >> >>> >> >>> I wonder if "pa-ci-re" is an efficient way to say "132". =A0 It may = be >> >>> good for a computer, which "understands" the things in a syntactic >> >>> way, but I would say that humans prefer the semantic-pragmatic way >> >>> which is found in "one-hundred, three-tens, two-units", (even if ten= s >> >>> is said "-ty" and units is implicit), because there's the positional >> >>> meaning of 1 that means "one hundred" imported in the language. >> >>> >> >>> People tend to think pragmatically/semantically, not only along >> >>> syntax, as, perhaps, Lojban does a little too much ? >> >>> >> >>> 2012/3/2, M.Nael : >> >>> > Would this work? >> >>> > My native language is Arabic yet I've studied Mathematics since ag= e >> >>> > 3 in >> >>> > English... Arabic has the disadvantage of having 'too-many >> >>> > syllables' as >> >>> > opposed to (usually) 1-2 in English. >> >>> > This is most visible in numbers. Arabic 'One' is 'wa?id' | 'Two' i= s >> >>> > 'i0na:n' | 'Three' is '0la:0ah' and so on. >> >>> > Even with English being more efficient here (and I've grown to use >> >>> > its >> >>> > number-words in mental calculation), I still find myself saying >> >>> > 'three-thousand bla-bla-hundred), ...etc. Lojban number-words shou= ld >> >>> > make >> >>> > up for this, thus: >> >>> > My question is: how much would training for 'pa-ci-re' instead of >> >>> > 'one-hundred, thirty-two' etc... be beneficial for my mental >> >>> > calculations? >> >>> > And if I decided to extend this to the whole of my mathematical >> >>> > thinking? >> >>> > Has anyone tried to use *just* the maths (and generally >> >>> > science-part) of >> >>> > Lojban? >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> > Groups >> >>> > "lojban" group. >> >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> >>> > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/J2Orr4yu-lUJ. >> >>> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>> > For more options, visit this group at >> >>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >>> Groups >> >>> "lojban" group. >> >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >>> For more options, visit this group at >> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> >> Groups >> >> "lojban" group. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .arpis. >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "lojban" group. >> > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> > For more options, visit this group at >> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Group= s >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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