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Clifford" X-Apple-Yahoo-Replied-Msgid: 1_13425111_AHXHjkQAAMIFT2KDsgktFhFQy3Y Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:12:33 -0500 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of kali9putra@yahoo.com designates 98.139.53.218 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=kali9putra@yahoo.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--778046354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --Apple-Mail-1--778046354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that "or" i= s shorter. XOR is, of course, xor. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is ambiguou= s as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest possible way to say .a >=20 > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote= : > Oh. Of course. >=20 > stevo >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford w= rote: > andor, i.e. or >=20 > From: MorphemeAddict > To: lojban@googlegroups.com=20 > Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM > Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" >=20 > What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or about'. Go= ogling didn't help.=20 >=20 > stevo >=20 > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote= : > I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can never un= derstand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Arabic would= even give better English, and that's saying something. >=20 >=20 > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi wrote: > Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in Arabic a 'b= e' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with adjectives, placement= and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the meanings of his words a= nd put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar he used... I ended up= with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added some bits of my own = after translation... >=20 > MN > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >=20 > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >=20 > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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Speaking as a logician and thus a sort= of mathematician, I note that "or" is shorter.  XOR is, of course, xo= r.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 P= M, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.co= m> wrote:

I l= ike to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is ambiguous as = to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest possible way to say .a
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict= <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh. Of course.

stevo
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On Thu, Mar= 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
andor, i.e. or


From: MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.= com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2= 012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic"

What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or about'.= Googling didn't help. 

stevo

On Thu, M= ar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can n= ever understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Arabi= c would even give better English, and that's saying something.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <= ;muhammad.nael@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many pl= aces where in Arabic a 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true w= ith adjectives, placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically&nb= sp;took the meanings of his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the synta= x and grammar he used... I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic pie= ce and I added some bits of my own after translation...

MN
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