Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:60472) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8O0G-0001ca-6m; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:58 -0700 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf3146773wer.16 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2JZzWiJnN/jPYVSGVSyvjFCnM4aTRPkwSSUL4zbAx7E=; b=EmmIO1ZBLXVKUl5u01VnWs/RM48Ek0Aab+AdJWKUk6kXFZH7R9WYG6HU+wLQdw6asK z+OXJUWJgfa+4z9Hjc7TIkLs7BkOzJx1ajTCxNpNWAq85lsXol2MNq+fSaK46hbqpyaP HlCvvIRwSD3Df+ro6mpYQZltxkAVK5G6npU8E= Received: by 10.204.130.85 with SMTP id r21mr97498bks.0.1331869124168; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.45.87 with SMTP id d23ls5087855bkf.2.gmail; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr87488bkw.7.1331869122300; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr87487bkw.7.1331869122268; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f52.google.com [209.85.215.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8si4751709bka.1.2012.03.15.20.38.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.52; Received: by lahi5 with SMTP id i5so5234939lah.39 for ; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.152.104.43 with SMTP id gb11mr825286lab.8.1331869121705; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:38:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <13C5A7CE-28CC-4FDE-938B-5C777CBC0EDF@yahoo.com> References: <1238c2a6-9582-4fd1-adb7-c122292ffb2e@cj6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <1331852702.89095.YahooMailNeo@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13C5A7CE-28CC-4FDE-938B-5C777CBC0EDF@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:38:41 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040713dde2f7f604bb53f1eb X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d040713dde2f7f604bb53f1eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means .a or .onai., so it doesn't count. On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford wrote: > Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that "or" > is shorter. XOR is, of course, xor. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is ambiguous > as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest possible way to say .a > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict < > lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Oh. Of course. >> >> stevo >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford < >> kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> andor, i.e. or >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < lytlesw@gmail.com> >>> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com >>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" >>> >>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or about'. >>> Googling didn't help. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < >>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can never >>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Arabic >>> would even give better English, and that's saying something. >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi < >>> muhammad.nael@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in Arabic a >>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with adjectives, >>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the meanings of >>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar he used... >>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added some bits >>> of my own after translation... >>> >>> MN >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d040713dde2f7f604bb53f1eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means .= a or .onai., so it doesn't count.

On = Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote= :
Speaking as a = logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that "or" is sh= orter. =A0XOR is, of course, xor.

Sent from my iPad

= On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

<= div>
I like to distinguish between xor and = and/or, because English is ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" = is just the shortest possible way to say .a

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh. Of course.

stevo
=


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at = 7:05 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
andor, i.e. or


From: MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2= 012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic"

What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean '= ;in or about'. Googling didn't help.=A0

stevo
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:
I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can n= ever understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his A= rabic would even give better English, and that's saying something.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <= ;muhamm= ad.nael@gmail.com> wrote:
Buroq usually=A0omitted=A0the 'be' copula in many = places where in Arabic a 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This = goes on true with adjectives, placement and presence of the/a, etc... I=A0b= asically=A0took the meanings of his words and put them in Arabic ignoring t= he syntax and grammar he used... I ended up with a pretty understandable Ar= abic piece and I added some bits of my own after translation...

MN
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