Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:56065) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8WTb-0005QK-So; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:51 -0700 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf3424801wer.16 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=xbqCiZBft5fFigydksgth74x3XJqCT6EnUFobzyij90=; b=Fr4/rli3UlqYmGEOl2nrxDbfq4oOT10BuxnJLKdYi2iRf1SH3oGuWXyju9UIVYtliN QmnePnE5eKKFhPmenIE4x0a3CvAro3wgjg+wDwM+KoFzZ7s0iUj6diXjN/8T+DMRWmXG qbPTSxvYhYxj7PQMSsXaSeSIorFq2P9dTV4Gw= Received: by 10.205.134.132 with SMTP id ic4mr125931bkc.28.1331901696109; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.226.131 with SMTP id iw3ls5658868bkb.4.gmail; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr233487bkv.6.1331901694218; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.150.90 with SMTP id x26mr233486bkv.6.1331901694180; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f53.google.com [209.85.215.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si6212927bkb.2.2012.03.16.05.41.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.53; Received: by lahc1 with SMTP id c1so3685573lah.40 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.105.211 with SMTP id go19mr1752484lab.51.1331901693748; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.1 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 05:41:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1238c2a6-9582-4fd1-adb7-c122292ffb2e@cj6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <1331852702.89095.YahooMailNeo@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13C5A7CE-28CC-4FDE-938B-5C777CBC0EDF@yahoo.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:41:13 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04083f4b54e5b504bb5b8775 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d04083f4b54e5b504bb5b8775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 "Or" is not often ambiguous in context. stevo On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means .a or > .onai., so it doesn't count. > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford wrote: > >> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that "or" >> is shorter. XOR is, of course, xor. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> >> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is >> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest possible way to >> say .a >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict < >> lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Oh. Of course. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford < >>> kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> andor, i.e. or >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < lytlesw@gmail.com> >>>> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com >>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" >>>> >>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or about'. >>>> Googling didn't help. >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < >>>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can never >>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Arabic >>>> would even give better English, and that's saying something. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi < >>>> muhammad.nael@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in Arabic a >>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with adjectives, >>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the meanings of >>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar he used... >>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added some bits >>>> of my own after translation... >>>> >>>> MN >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d04083f4b54e5b504bb5b8775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "Or" is not often ambiguous in context.=A0

ste= vo

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jona= than Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com> wrote:
"or" in English (not logic) is amb= iguous as to whether it means .a or .onai., so it doesn't count.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 a= t 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:=
Speaking as a = logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that "or" is sh= orter. =A0XOR is, of course, xor.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 15, 20= 12, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

I like to distinguish between xor and = and/or, because English is ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" = is just the shortest possible way to say .a

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh. Of course.

stevo
=


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at = 7:05 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
andor, i.e. or


From: MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2= 012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic"

What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean '= ;in or about'. Googling didn't help.=A0

stevo
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.= com> wrote:
I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can n= ever understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his A= rabic would even give better English, and that's saying something.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <= ;muhamm= ad.nael@gmail.com> wrote:
Buroq usually=A0omitted=A0the 'be' copula in many = places where in Arabic a 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This = goes on true with adjectives, placement and presence of the/a, etc... I=A0b= asically=A0took the meanings of his words and put them in Arabic ignoring t= he syntax and grammar he used... I ended up with a pretty understandable Ar= abic piece and I added some bits of my own after translation...

MN
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