Received: from mail-lb0-f189.google.com ([209.85.217.189]:47851) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8bd7-0000WB-MF; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:12:04 -0700 Received: by lbbgi4 with SMTP id gi4sf2156328lbb.16 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3ZLVT6HGMPcNYb5p/bSag7WooGZobO4w4yrUwq7VvOE=; b=mqWsiDuz6sun1hIQ4GWSBQUDkvZdtFG1UsL0EknME+tgYHTWM0gFnXfQgpiCPj0oPs vNoXut/DA5lBq+3kcywK6xzyGbcku897utP+/Y/n0Zjeiq4hIGYtxbDAbNs+DZcxFt9E c5Tv78cPKm5fTCN3sMyp9trY6pEw/NmTtXSXg= Received: by 10.204.10.82 with SMTP id o18mr286410bko.22.1331921505523; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:45 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.226.131 with SMTP id iw3ls6230161bkb.4.gmail; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.213 with SMTP id g21mr361609bkt.3.1331921503971; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.133.213 with SMTP id g21mr361608bkt.3.1331921503951; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f47.google.com (mail-bk0-f47.google.com [209.85.214.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ba12si7117234bkb.2.2012.03.16.11.11.43 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.47; Received: by bkcjg15 with SMTP id jg15so4650604bkc.34 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.157.17 with SMTP id z17mr1322432bkw.37.1331921503714; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.119.4 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:11:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <14308628.1656.1331246815462.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynkz21> References: <13652222.419.1331146240191.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynes7> <201203071528.01767.phma@phma.optus.nu> <17229123.4939.1331160187554.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yncc26> <201203081322.29993.phma@phma.optus.nu> <14308628.1656.1331246815462.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynkz21> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:11:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Biological taxonomy and other 'esoteric' vocabularies like chemical nomenclature From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb2c818fe1a04bb6024ef X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --0015175cb2c818fe1a04bb6024ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 5:46 PM, RexScientiarum wrote: > As for giving specific common names to animals I think that there probably > is room for that sort of specificity in lojban. There SHOULD be, I think, > otherwise I wouldn't see any point in learning it (learning a language with > that sort of limitation). Exactly how it might be possible I am not > certain of at this point in my lojban education but I have some ideas. I > see that there is, in fact, a lujvo for the American Robin specifically in > jbovlaste by gejyspa (who I am guessing might actually be a biologist > judging by the definitions he has entered in jbovlaste). Ahh, no. I am not. I'm a computer programmer. I'm familiar with taxa as much as the next guy. But because as my role in the language department of the cantr roleplaying game (cantr.org) I had to translate many animal names, I had to create many of them myself (especially those that Pierre's wide net hadn't caught), especially those that had to be distinguished from other, similar ones in cantr. Depending on the case, I based my translations on either the Linnean name, used a tanru (which you won't see in jbovlaste), used fu'ivla from other languages (rarely a choice for me, unless the name seemed to be either pretty widespread or the animal was confined to a locally small area so the native name could be used (and the latter usual implies the former as well) (these would be what used to be called in Loglan I-prims and N-prims)), or a combination if a whole larger grouping (taxon, clade, or informal) was implied, and I needed specificity), or lujvo, in which I had to ask myself "is there a characteristic of this animal that is a hallmark/uniquish to this creature that would serve to identify it, as opposed to another, to someone who is familiar with the animal, without too much difficulty?" To answer this question, I read up on the animals, and also sometimes took inspiration from the meaning of their binomials. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0015175cb2c818fe1a04bb6024ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at = 5:46 PM, RexScientiarum <amt2839@gmail.com> wrote:
As for giving specific common names to animals I think that there probably = is room for that sort of=A0specificity=A0in lojban. =A0There SHOULD be, I t= hink, otherwise I wouldn't see any point in learning it (learning a lan= guage with that sort of limitation). =A0Exactly how it might be possible I = am not certain of at this point in my lojban education but I have some idea= s. I see that there is, in fact, a lujvo for the American Robin specificall= y in jbovlaste by=A0gejyspa (who I am guessing might actually be a biologis= t judging by the definitions he has entered in jbovlaste).
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=A0 Ahh, no. =A0I am not. =A0I'm a computer programmer. = =A0 I'm familiar with taxa as much as the next guy. =A0But because as m= y role in the language department of the cantr roleplaying game (cantr.org) I had to translate many animal names, I h= ad to create many of them myself (especially those that Pierre's wide n= et hadn't caught), especially those that had to be distinguished from o= ther, similar ones in cantr. =A0Depending on the case, I based my translati= ons on either the Linnean name, used a tanru (which you won't see in jb= ovlaste), used fu'ivla from other languages (rarely a choice for me, un= less the name seemed to be either pretty widespread or the animal was confi= ned to a locally small area so the native name could be used (and the latte= r usual implies the former as well) (these would be what used to be called = in Loglan I-prims and N-prims)), or a combination if a whole larger groupin= g (taxon, clade, or informal) was implied, and I needed specificity), or lu= jvo, in which I had to ask myself "is there a characteristic of this a= nimal that is a hallmark/uniquish to this creature that would serve to iden= tify it, as opposed to another, =A0to someone who is =A0familiar with the a= nimal, without too much difficulty?" To answer =A0this question, I rea= d up on the animals, and also sometimes took inspiration from the meaning o= f their binomials.

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